Re: New Voynich Stuff

[Dennis <ixohoxi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

	Any opinions on the "genuinely worthwhile stuff"? 

	There' a lot to consider at Tugba's site.  

	I'm not sure what Joyce means by "polysyllabic", but
it sounds like the natural languages with low phonemic
entropy that I & Gabriel considered in "Understanding
the Second-Order Entropies of Voynich Text".  Her note,
"To date, no one has attempted to use information
retrieval formulae to investigate the possibility of an
unconventional (non-western) underlying structure" is
of more interest.  I wonder what information retrieval
formulae she has in mind.  

	On this page which I didn't notice:

http://ils.unc.edu/%7Emornj/inls172-01.htm

she proposes to poll us list members on our information
needs.  

Dennis

Dennis wrote:

>         First the genuinely worthwhile:
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> A very interesting site:
> 
> Statistical Analysis of Voynich Manuscript
> http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~tugba/voynich/
> 
> by Tugba Onal Suzek,
> http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~tugba/
> Grad Student at John's Hopkins
> 
>         Quite a few statistical analyses, some of which we
> haven't done, such as beam search, and languages we
> haven't investigated, such as Czech, Hungarian,
> Slovene, Estonian, and Romanian.
> 
> Another interesting site:
> Univariate Terms Project
> INLS 172, Jason Morningstar
> 
> http://www.ils.unc.edu/~mornj/inls172-02.htm
> 
>     "To date, no one has attempted to use information
> retrieval
> formulae to investigate the possibility of an
> unconventional (non-
> western) underlying structure. It is possible that
> measures derived
> from this investigation will allow researchers to
> dismiss this avenue
> of approach altogether. Alternately, the results might
> signal a need
> for further research. No matter what the outcome, the
> groundwork laid
> by this project will prove useful for future research
> into the
> possibility of an logographic source.
> 
>     "It is important to note that a correlation with a
> polysyllabic
> language model does not imply that the manuscript was
> necessarily
> written in Hawaiian or Yupik - given the commonly
> understood
> provenance of the Voynich manuscript, this would be
> impossible.
> However, the 14th through 16th centuries saw the
> creation of many
> artificial languages in Europe, including those of John
> Dee and
> Hildegard Von Bingen. It is possible that the
> underlying Voynich text
> is similarly constructed, but using a novel
> polysyllabic structure."