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Re: Centaurea (f02r) Bachelor's Button
Hello Philip,
Yes, all information concerning the color used in the foils is very important and much
appreciated. Thank you.
Regards,
Dana Scott
Philip Marshall wrote:
> Dear Dana,
>
> My notes and memory are incomplete, but the flowers on folios 2v
> (Nymphaea?) and 24r (Silene?) also sport white corollas, the former
> an especially brilliant and impressive white. The most striking color on
> the botanical and "biological" folios is of course green, and it is in
> contrast to this green and the yellowish color of the vellum itself that
> the brilliant white jumps out at the eye. The flower on folio 10r has a
> blue corolla, and the leaf blades and curling inflorescence (?) of the
> palm-like plant on folio 56r are also blue. The astronomical/astrological
> diagrams are mostly uncolored. In addition, it may be significant that
> the vase-like "jars" in the pharmaceutical section seem to switch from
> red, green and yellow, to blue and green, on alternate pages; I'm not sure
> if this is intended to communicate something or if it was just the whimsy
> of the illuminator. I hope this information is helpful to you.
>
> Philip Marshall
>
> On Tue, 1 May 2001, Dana F. Scott wrote:
>
> > Hi Diane,
> > What a nice revelation. I am very pleased to learn that the flower is
> > yellow. That will help narrow the search a bit. In fact, I am not
> > surprised at all that the flower is yellow. The other color that I would
> > expect to find for flowers in the VMS is white. If my hunch is right,
> > yellow relates to the color of the sun and/or gold and white corresponds
> > to the color of the moon. Of course, this is just a guess at this point.
> > I would indeed be interested in knowing the colors of the other flowers,
> > if you have that information. It would be greatly appreciated and help
> > to significantly reduce the quest to identify the plants and flowers.
> > One of the reasons I am so interested in identifying the plants (if
> > possible) is to determine their true color. My focus is on the facts
> > concerning the VMS. If it can be shown that an assessment or an
> > observation is not correct, then I am pleased to discard it. I find that
> > the Voynicheros are excellent listeners, have a finely tuned acuity for
> > detail, and a great deal of patience. Thank you.
> >
> > http://www.williams-nursery.com/images/centaureamacro.gif
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dana Scott
> >
> > "diane.cousteau" wrote:
> >
> > > Hello! Just writing to mention a little detail concerning your
> > > i.d of f. 2r as centaurea: the flower in the VMS is yellow, not
> > > blue....sorry, but I have never encountered any yellow centaureas.
> > > Maybe the author of our manuscript was
> > > colorblind? Do not hesitate to
> > > contact me if you need to know the true color of all VMS plants and
> > > their parts, I'd love to
> > > help. diane
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:Dana F. Scott
> > > To: voynich@xxxxxxxx ; AFScott@xxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:58 AM
> > > Subject: Centaurea (f02r) Bachelor's Button
> > > Except for the lack of darkly checkered bracts Centaurea
> > > cyanus (Cornflower; Florence Llavender) is a very appealing
> > > match of the plant in f02r. The flowers and leaves are
> > > similar and C. cyanus is also a well known herbal. Deni Bown
> > > writes in "The Encylopedia of Herbs & Their Uses the
> > > following concerning Centaurea:
> > >
> > > There are some 450 species of annuals, biennials,
> > > perennials, and subshrubs in this genus, which occurs in
> > > Mediterranean regions, Eurasia, N America, and Australia; C.
> > > cyanus is found in cornfields and waste places in Europe and
> > > western Asia. Various species are grown as ornamentals for
> > > their brightly colored, thistle-like flowers. Centaurea is
> > > named after the legendary centaur,
> > >
> > >
> > > I can imagine the appeal of Centaurea to the VMS author when
> > > one understands something of the history of the immortal
> > > centaur Chiron, who was in utter pain after being apparently
> > > accidentally wounded by Hercules' arrow which had been
> > > dipped in poison.
> > >
> > > Greek Mythology:
> > > http://www.math.
> > > tk.edu/~vasili/GR_link/Greek_myth/centaur.html
> > >
> > > Photo:
> > > http:/
> > > www.daisyparadise.fsnet.co.uk/daisyA-Z/A-C/centaurea%20cyanus.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.daisyparadise.fsnet.co.uk/moredaisies/centaurea.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.kconline.com/tg/uraniwa/Centaurea.html
> > >
> > > ttp://www.apa.umontreal.ca/gadrat/c/Centaurea/cyanus/96072803.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.apa.umontreal.ca/gadrat/c/Centaurea/cyanus/96072802.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.apa.umontreal.ca/gadrat/c/Centaurea/cyanus/96072804.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.cernyseed.cz/cent.cyan.htm
> > > http://www.flogaus-faust.de/photo/centcyan.jpg
> > > http://www.pp.clinet.fi/~mygarden/centcy.jpg
> > > http://www.earthlygoods.com/wildflowers/cornflower.html
> > >
> > > ttp://www.viarural.com.ar/viarural.com.ar/agricultura/malezas/centaurea-cyanus01.htm
> > >
> > > Description:
> > > http://www.blue-tea.com/cyanus.html
> > > http://www.gardenguides.com/flowers/annuals/bachelor.htm
> > > http://hg.women.com/homeandgarden/plants/centcyan.htm
> > > http://pages.infinit.net/mel3/centaurea.html
> > > http://www.fleurs-des-champs.com/fic/fiches/f59.htm
> > > http://www.floristikwissen.de/home/bot/c/cent_cya.htm
> > >
> > > ttp://www.desert-tropicals.com/en_francais/Plants/Asteraceae/Centaurea_cyanus.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Spanish: (interesting; used for inflamation of the eyes;
> > > compare to Belladonna?)
> > > http://lanaturaleza.hypermart.net/aciano.htm
> > >
> > > ttp://planeta.terra.com.br/saude/plantasmedicinais/pm/centcyan.htm
> > >
> > > Illustration:
> > > http://www.rr
> > > .uni-hamburg.de/biologie/b_online/thome/band4/tafel_134_small.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.pre1900prints.com/Botanical/CentaureaCyanus1848.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.ipk-gatersleben.de/~ochsmann/centaurea/images/Tafel_595_01.jpg
> > >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Philip Marshall
> Yale University
> School of Forestry & Environmental Studies
>
> tel: +1(203)436-2137
> email: philip.marshall@xxxxxxxx or pmm8@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
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