Re: Ghibelline and Guelph

["Dana F. Scott" <dfscott@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Then again, just maybe the author of the VMS (whom I think may have been
Andrea Cesalpino) supported the Ghibellines of Arezzo (Andrea was born in
Arezzo) and Pisa (where he was educated and taught) and the fact that Dante
ended up switching his support from the Guelphs to the Ghibellines. Perhaps.

Regards,
Dana Scott

John Grove wrote:

> Well, I've been having fun reading about the two types of battlements
> that seem to have evolved directly from the dispute between the two
> opposing factions in Italian/German history. The Guelph used the square
> battlements, while the Ghibelline supporters flaunted their support in
> their architecture with the 'fishtail' battlements. I believe from what
> I've been able to locate on the web that these Ghibelline designs on
> castle battlements are indeed limited to castles in Northern Italy and
> Germany that were built in the period 1100-1300. Since the factions were
> not so big a deal in the 15th and 16th century, the castle design in the
> VMS only leads to (once again) presenting us with a rough geographical
> region - the same as has been discussed for quite some time.
>
> Why a Ghibelline Castle is present in the large foldout and not a Guelph
> style may be meaningless to the author except that he lived near one and
> drew what he knew. The wall extending from the castle around the spiral
> of stars may be indicative that the castle and wall are only a symbolic
> representation of a formidable enclosure protecting the 'heavens'. I
> don't know if this sort of speculation has any place in discussions
> because one could never really prove any number of suppositions until we
> can actually read the text.
>
> I'm almost willing to bite at the bait that someone says they can read
> 25 lines of the text (almost).
>
> John

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