Re: astrological iconography

["Dana F. Scott" <dfscott@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Very interesting discussion. I am still trying to find an exact match to
Sagittarius' clothing, expecially the trousers. I didn't think that it
would
be such a challenge. There are some reasonably good matches to be
found but there doesn't seem to be a perfect fit. Here are a few colorful
examples just for fun.

Trousers:
http://www.houseofanoria.com/panned_slops.htm
http://www.varmouries.com/cloth/cpics/cannon2.jpg
http://www.varmouries.com/cloth/cpics/peasb.jpg

Nice Crossbow match:
http://by-the-sword.com/rk45.JPG

BTW, I used to live in a plantation town called Ewa.

Regards,
Dana Scott


Jorge Stolfi wrote:

>     > [Rafal:] I have received a very kind and informative reply from
>     > Prof. Ewa Sniezynska-Stolot of the Jagiellonian University in
>     > Cracow (my repeated apologies to the list I had not written to
>     > her earlier).
>
> No apologies please; Ewa's report was a very valuable contribution,
> many thanks for obtaining it!
>
>     > [Ewa:] The Sagittarius' cap with fox tail points to Germany -
>     > but they were also worn in Poland. I believe that the manuscript
>     > can be dated to mid-15th c.
>
> So the North Italian theory is not without contestants. Another small
> step back towards complete ignorance. (As the Fortean Times admonishes
> us, "for every expert there is an equal but opposite expert".)
>
>     > [Ewa:] In my opinion it is a notebook of a liberal arts student.
>
> While the drawings seem to fit that theory, the writing is too neat
> and regular for a "student's notebook" the strict sense. But it could
> be a "personal treatise" that the author distilled from his notebooks,
> at some later time.
>
> On the other hand, as it was remarked before, some of the "pharma"
> drawings seem to be drafts for some of the "herbal" pages. So perhaps
> "pharma" is indeed a notebook --- or a first copy of one, cleaned up
> but not yet reorganized.
>
>     > Similar notebooks are Beinecke 225 and 226.
>
> I found the entry for MS 225,
>
>   http://webtext.library.yale.edu/finddocs/fadsear.htm
>   (enter "Worczin" and hit "search")
>
> However the only "MS 226"s that I found at Beinecke seems to be
> something else entirely --- one is North Italian, the other is
> French.
>
>     > The former belonged to Paul de Worczin who studied in Cracow in
>     > 1422 (according to the Beinecke catalogue Cracow is in
>     > Bohemia!). The latter is also from Cracow.
>
> My understanding is that MS 225 was written by one of Worczin's
> students, probably "Frater Jacobus de Paradiso (Jacobus de Jueterbogk)
> who studied and taught in Cracow and came to the Carthusians at Erfurt
> in 1442". The colophon reads "Finis disputatorum Paruorum naturalium
> reportatorum post Reuerendum Magistrum Paulum de Worczin in studio
> Craconien. Anno domini M CCCC XXII (1422), feria IIII (Wednesday?)
> ante festum sancti michaelis".
>
> All the best,
>
> --stolfi

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