# Re: No numbers in the VMS

Hi Giuliano,

```A simple yet very hard to decipher device is the following.
You take a text in a plain language, e.g. latin. Then you write it using
the hebrew alphabet. Finally you represent each letter of the hebrew
alphabet with some symbol of your choice.
```

There have been many variations on this general theme suggested over the years: it's possible to mount a fairly convincing rebuttal on the grounds that the statistical entropy of the text is too low - bear in mind that losing vowels would tend to make the text more dense (rather than less)... hence higher entropy, not lower.

Statistics are fallible: but my own instinct is that a reductive "lose-the-vowels" code doesn't fit with what I see, which is a very vowel-heavy text. OK, this could be misdirection, but I don't think so. :-/

A reasonable argument against Egyptian, Greek, and Roman numerals (apart from the basic dating evidence) is the absence of repeated letters in the text ("ee" aside) - so it's fairly likely that numbers are either encoded using letters (as you suggest) or using a specific coding representation (as I suggest). Or perhaps there could be some kind of middle ground...

```Coming finally to numbers, numbers in hebrew are traditionally written
using the numerical value of the letters, but combining them in such a
way as to produce a word which can be pronounced. So, for instance the
number 15 is usually written as TW (I'm use a standard latin alphabet
transliteration), which can be pronounced "too", and results from the
numerical value 9 of T and 6 of W. T+W = 9+6 = 15. The numerical value
of words is the base for all the Cabalistic lore. This makes almost
impossible to detect numbers in a hebrew text using statistical
analysis, because numbers can't be told apart from words.
```

.....like this! It's completely possible that (for example) ot- words could be followed by this kind of number-scheme. Once we get a better grasp of the VMS morphology, we ought to experiment with this & see how far it goes.

Can you point us to a place where this (Sephiroth?) is described?

Thanks, .....Nick Pelling.....