# Re: an ain aiin as numbers...?

Hi Bruce,

```The idea that the VM might contain Roman numerals suggests some approaches for
trying to find them based on these properties:```

```- there is a limited set of symbols (I, V, X, L, C, D. M)
- the VM symbols that represent them should occur together frequently, not
separated by other symbols
- some would be repeated but others not ( ..XXX.. is legal but not ..VVV.. )
- some combinations are permitted in one order but not the other
(  ..CV.. is legal but not ..VC.. )
```

All true! Constraints are good - they set us free from the paralysis of choice. :-)

Though given that we're still unsure about the underlying alphabet as well as word boundaries, we have to be fairly careful about how we proceed. :-/

Quick observation: "8" visually hides an "X" within its shape, so "dain" could well be "12".

Interestingly: there are about 24 "dd" (which would be "XX") within the text (depending on which particular transcription you use), several more than I expected. These are:-
dd
ddl
ddy (twice)
ddor (twice)
ddol
ddal
ckhddl
koddy
shddy
chddy
choddy
choddal
cthodd
tchddy
qokylddy
ddsschx (looks a bit of a misfit)
okeeddl
upcheddy
opcheddl
qoteeddy
qopcheddy

Also interestingly, there is only one occurrence of "yy" in the same transcription, and that occurs right at the end of a page, so is quite possibly just noise:
<f86v4.T.5;A> dar.olee*y.ol,yy=

I'm guessing that "d" might code for "X", and possibly "y" for "V"/"U"... though the rest I'm far more shaky on. "dy" might then be "XV" (ie, 15), which - if the underlying astrology is based (as we suspect) on 30-degree divisions of signs - could well be a relevant number.

Also: "y" tends to be written either like a "9" (with a closed loop) or like a weak Greek eta character (with an open loop). Many of these - when examined closely - appear to be an upside-down "u" or "v" with a tail added as an additional light stroke. Perhaps this is another example of a VMS letter hiding its true shape within itself?

On the other hand, neither "yan" nor "yain" appears in the VMS: but "yaiin" appears 9 times:-
yaiin (six times)
dyaiin
opyaiin
cfhyaiin

Finally: "dan" occurs 26 times, "dain" 160 times, and "daiin" 1412 times (all counted using a text-search, not a word-search): though the chances of a free-standing "daiin" (the magical number 13?) being a special code are fairly high. :-)

Intriguingly, "ydain" occurs 6 times and "ydaiin" occurs 27 times: so there may be some numeric obfuscation going on here. :-/

Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....