Folks Just a short note on the subject of duplications. In Malay, as in several related languages, the plural is indicated by duplication, thus "orang" means "man" and "orang-orang" means "men". Well, there's a cookbook called Rahsia Masakan Nyonya, "Secrets of Nonya Cooking", and if you check the recipes, you'll see - duplications. Food for thought? Robert