Well, this is quite interesting when these two "chicken scratches" are placed next to each other. Notice that the single line "signature" in f66v is essentially the same as the top line "signature" in f86v (there are some differences to the right of each line). This clearly requires further examination and will probably consume my curiosity for quite some time. Very nice.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Grove
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:22 AM
To: voynich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: VMs: Signature or monogram
Here is a link to an image of the two sections of the VMS (from F86V3 and F66V) containing what appears to be a monogram or signature.
http://www.geocities.com/jgroveuk/Signatures.jpg
I tried various enhancements but couldn't make it any more legible than it is.
It seems to consist of three connected downstrokes followed by a longer upstroke with a loop and final flourish, almost like 'wR' but not quite. It's certainly not a random scribble. If it is a signature or monogram then it might help to establish dates and/or locations for the MS. Does it ring any bells with anyone?
Jon. (no H)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Pelling [mailto:incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 10 September 2002 17:38
> To: voynich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: VMs: Re: Hi
>
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> >Whilst looking through the images and accompanying
> interlinear file and
> >descriptions, I noticed that a couple of pages (F66V and
> F86V3) have what
> >are described as 'scribbles' on them, but to me the
> scribbles are clearly
> >deliberate and similar, rather like someone practising a
> signature which
> >looks something like 'WR'. I can provide a jpeg comparing the two
> >'scribbles' but I don't know what the protocol is on this
> list regarding
> >file attachments.
>
> I'd say it's normally best practice to dump stuff to a simple
> web page (as
> you, like me, are a software engineer, I'd be surprised if
> HTML held any
> surprises), and post the URL to the list.
>
> If you also try to remove the 'orb'/'T-map' circle from the
> scribble (and
> contrast-enhance it in Photoshop or whatever), that might
> also help make it
> (visually) clearer what's going on there. :-)
>
> >If the information is old-hat and has already been discussed
> to death then
> >forgive me - I just thought I'd throw it into the pot!
>
> As normal, virtually everything that can be thought has been
> posted: if you
> haven't got a copy of the mailing list archives yet, that
> would be a whole
> new world of pain for you. :-)
>
> On 25th March (the Florentine New Year!) 2001, Dana Scott emailed:
>
> Subject: VMS -- Chicken Scratch
>
> Has anyone identified what appear to be notes added
> at the lower
> left of
> f66v and in the middle of f86v. There is also an orb
> drawing in the
> middle of f86v. I wonder if it and an original part
> of the folio.
> Perhaps it was started and then not finished or
> maybe added later by a
> student/investigator of the manuscript. Has anyone
> identified the
> meaning of the notes? They appear to be made by the
> same hand.
>
> However, Dana didn't appear to get any replies - so I guess
> this is still
> up for grabs.
>
> To my eyes, these marks (especially f86v) look a lot like
> someone having
> the VMS open at a page, and signing a document on top on thin paper:
> bleedthrough, basically.
>
> Identifying that signature (or even the century that is
> likely to come
> from!) would be extremely interesting! Beyond "WR", what do
> you think it
> says? And are you sure you're even looking at it the right way up? :-)
>
> Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
>
>
>
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