VMs: Re: The curious quire hand mark on f57v...?

[steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>]

hi greg & all :-)

 
YOU WROTE:
 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:48:41 +1300 (NZDT)
 From: Greg Ewing <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 To: Voynich Ms. mailing list <voynich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 Subject: VMs:  Re: The curious quire hand mark on f57v...?
 
 > > PS: cool post on Tolkien, BTW. :-)  I wouldn't be at all surprised if the
 > > VMS turned out to have been an inspiration for him. :-)
 > 
 > Or an inspiration *by* him :-)
 
 Has anyone looked at whether Voynich characters bear
 any resemblance to Elven runes...?-)
 
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My old (1965?) paper-back set here (3 plus the Hobbit) of Tolkien has
very very few pictures of "letterings" of any kind (sigh)...

Most public released (via the set(s)) lettering(s), Drawf or elven,
probably come from "The Return of the King", where appendix's (E&F)
 'Writing and spelling' &
 'The Languagues and the Peoples of the Third Age'. These characters
are very Greek/Roman looking with a Hebrewic flare? not Voynich like
at all.

Drawf is definatly out! - It's more Celtic or RUNE in appearences ..
no Flowing! Straight UP characters like our "A B K L V X Z" etc...

Elven is closest of all (the sets) but only shares VMS "g" and double
cc's, but??, the cc's are upside down (and backwards as it where) if
you rotate the "cc's" 180, then the "g's (most prevalent in Tolkien
Elven) are upside down "d's with long tails sweeping to the left, not
VMS like..

All in all the (Elven) Characters ARE BEAUTIFUL in Flow... many
strokes (lower case areas) keep lovely continuity of eye! 

-=se=-> IT seems to "sing" out - THAT elven script dew! <-=se=-

Personally - I would say "NO" - not related characters!, but it IS
interesting in that it is an Extremely Beautiful Script - if viewed
right-side UP or _Up Side Down_!!! Like Arabic characters WITH
midevial English penmanship flair etc... (at least to my eye? :-/

Only 2 books, (i)"The Fellowship of the Ring" have elven? This,
aking "Speak Friend and Enter" to a magically closed Stonewall -
written in "ANCIENT Elvan" across the doorway. (ii)"The Two Towers"
(ACE publishers - not BB (Ballantine Books - New York only authorized)
has on its first page One (2) lines of Elven script, but no
decoding, AND (elven here) consists of 4 words 12-15 characters in
length (depending on how one counts the stroke(s)) EACH...

Fun to review after all these years :-)

I would say NO though to VMS :-(

Best to you & yours :-)
-=se=-
steve (the weird vms fold.it!.guy) ekwall :-/


"Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Drawf-lords in their halls of stone,
 Nine for the Mortal Men doomed to die, 
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
 In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
 One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie."

               from: - The Two Towers, J.R.R. Tolkien