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VMs: The VMS "alphabet" and some other issues...
Hi Larry---------------------
Pursuant to your last email, I can't quite see how EVA [t] = a combination
of EVA [i] + EVA [r] or how EVA [t] = EVA [a] + EVA [r] etc. unless I am
misunderstanding what you wrote and mean something else ?...
However, I CAN readilly see how some Voynich sigilsl/characters seem to be
composed of smaller components e.g. I can see how EVA [t] = might well be a
combination of EVA [q] + EVA [k] formed into one single Voynich
sigil/character EVA [t].
I can also understand that the EVA [p] might be a combination of EVA [f] +
EVA [q] or even that EVA [p] might be a combination of EVA [q] + EVA [g].
Clearly, it would appear that some of the more complex "gallows letters"
seem to be a combination of EVA [ch] and a simpler "gallows letter" (e.g.
EVA [cKh] = a combination of EVA [ch] + EVA [k], or EVA [cTh] = a
combinatino of EVA [ch] + EVA [t] and EVA [cPh] = EVA [ch] + EVA [p] etc.
What I also wonder if the "hook" on top of the EVA [sh] is to be regarded as
a single Voynich sigil/character, since I see it in combination (e.g. EVA
[sh] and EVA[s] and possibly at the botom of EVA [y].
In fact EVA [y] might be a combination of EVA [o] + the "hook" at the
bottom, and possibly the EVA [n] character might be a combination of EVA [i]
and the "hook" to form the curvy V shape of the EVA [n], etc.
These combinations of smaller components suggest a shorthand system/tyronian
script etc.and I suppose the first trick is to break the complex sigils into
identifiable smaller "units" or "atoms" (i.e. indivisible components").
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of these "atomies" or can point to a
website or URL on the 'net which might show a pattern?
Ideas?
Also can anyone tell me or describe what an EVA [z] or an EVA [b] looks
like?
DG
donald.goodell@xxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: VMs: The VMS "alphabet" and some other issues...
> I also believe that many Voynich characters are actually multiplets. (ie
> t may be "ir", "ar", "tt" or "ch" etc). I think it is most certain that
> the following characters are, in fact, multiple (2 or even more)
> characters:
> f g k m p q t z
>
> m is probably r + l and z is c + l or something of the like.
>
> As for the The font we use has different characters for upper case
> letters vs lower case letters (generlly extensions of the base character
> with a squiggle or a line passing through it). cPh would be c with a
> line extending through the p into the h
>
> E is the same character as c - but c has an extending line and E does
> not.
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> ******************************
> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx
> *******************************
> >>> donald.goodell@xxxxxxxxx 02/02/03 13:01 PM >>>
> Hi Robert-----------
>
> It seems that the EVA "character" [a] may be a combination of EVA [e]
> +[i]
> combined into a single Eva character-letter [a].
>
> Do you or anyone on this thread have an opinion of this?
>
> I am no fan of Newbold's eccentricities of trying to find micro-dot
> sized
> combination of micro-letters in the VMS but it seems that certain
> characters
> like the EVA [a] character might be made of 2 separate "letter
> character"
> components.
>
> If we could break down some of these into smaller components (which
> resmble
> Tyronian abbreviations from northern Italy 1420-1490) we might be able
> to
> add some vital "clews" to understanding the character sets of the VMS.
>
> Also in your second table below, you have line item 4 listed as an EVA
> [c]
> when I think you mean EVA [e] as you did with #4 in the 1st list. An EVA
> [e]
> looks like the typwritten [e].
>
> Also what Landini character correspondes with EVA [b] ? I know of an EVA
> [v]
> but not an EVA [b]. Unless I am missing something here.
>
> EVA uses small case typewritten letters throughout (e.g. otaiin, daiin,
> okeody etc.)
> Why have you capitalised some EVA characters in your list? Can you stick
> to
> pure EVA small case letters in your charts, so I can transcribe them in
> my
> table more accurately? (Unless you are indicating non EVA letters, and
> if
> so, please explain)
>
> Is there a free download of the Landini Voynich Alphabet character set?
> It
> would make discussion a little more accurate in these cases...
>
> Robert, have you drawn any conclusions at all from your own organising
> of
> the socalled VMS "character alphabet" which might well employ letters
> and
> numbers crytpically?
>
> Also, is there an expert on Tyronian shorthand Latin/Greek/Italian
> abbreviations that could help in this breakdown of the lettering system
> and
> put some of his/her/their findings on this thread (if already done,
> please
> re-post, I am new to this list last week).
>
> Thanks
>
> DG
> donald.goodell@xxxxxxxxx
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Teague" <rteague@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Voynich Manuscript List" <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 9:37 AM
> Subject: VMs: Alphabet Notes
>
>
> > If, as it seems, we now have the Voynichese numerals,
> > and if, as it seems, they have letter values as well, I thought
> > it might be instructive to see any pattern can be found
> > that might give a clue to the arrangement of the alphabet.
> >
> > I have to say that I hadn't paid much attention to the
> > alphabet itself, so hadn't realized what a simple and
> > elegant system it is.
> >
> > As it turns out, an arrangement can be found. The
> > numerals 0-6 fall right in line as the first letter of each
> > row. It isn't how I would arrange the letters, if I was
> > devising it, but it works.
> >
> >
> > Here are the numbers again:
> >
> > # EVA
> > 0 f
> > 1 o
> > 2 r
> > 3 y
> > 4 e
> > 5 l '
> > 6 k
> > 7 s a
> > 8 d
> > 9 ch
> >
> > To see this correctly, it will be necessary to copy and paste
> > to Word, or other program where the EVA font can be used.
> >
> > f CFH p CPH
> >
> > o a Q B
> >
> > R iR iiR iiiR
> >
> > y d j G
> >
> > c c' CH C'H
> >
> > L iL iiL iiiL
> >
> > k CKH t CTH
> >
> > N iN iiN iiiN
> >
> > M iM iiM iiiM
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Robert
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