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RE: VMs: Astronomical Notes, Comments, and Replies
I figure that all of the months for which we have sheets contain 30
days. Since Pisces has 29 showing, and the text in the center matches
the format of the other days, it is most likely the missing day.
I also note that there is a pattern to the pages. I predict the 2
missing zodiac symbol pages have nymphs as follows:
1) 7 inner circle, 11 2nd circle, 12 outer circle
2) 9 inner circle, 16 2nd circle, 5 outer circle
why?
It appears that the months are done in pairs:
Woman count in circles by page
1 2 3
05 10 00 taurus
05 10 00 taurus dark
05 10 00 aries
05 10 00 aries dark
========
07 11 12 Crayfish
?? ?? ?? missing page
========
09 16 05 Gemini
?? ?? ?? missing page
========
10 16 04 mouse
10 16 04 sagittarius
========
10 19 00 Pisces*
10 20 00 Libra
========
12 18 00 Virgo?
12 18 00 Leo
========
Seems to me Pisces was supposed to have 20 2nd circle women but due to a
mistake - or for some intentional reason - the final day was put into
the center. If this truly is a horoscope, perhaps that one day is the
birthdate of the person.
I hope this makes sense.
It is interesting to note that the Egyptians had a 360 day year. They
added 5 days of festivities to the end of each year to account for the
difference (gotta love party people!). There was also a 360 day year in
Babylon - they added an extra month (the 13th month - a "leap month")
every 6th year.
Lastly, unless there is another mistake, the text next to the "days" is
not related to the day's number. Two of the women in Sagittarius (f73v)
have the same text next to them (top group of 4). Being as they are
adjacent, I doubt this is a mistake.
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Larry Roux
Syracuse University
lroux@xxxxxxx
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>>> djl@xxxxxxxxxxx 02/09/03 16:35 PM >>>
Boy, I'm not sure I agree, Larry. Why on earth put a day in the
center?
The lines connecting the fish clearly meet; the meeting point is the
hinge
star in the constellation Pisces.
Don
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Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:47 AM
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Subject: RE: VMs: Astronomical Notes, Comments, and Replies
oops. I was using an "enhanced" version of the pages where I did some
embossing, etc to clarify the letters - and apparently lost some left
circles on the gallows (good job in "clarifying" the pages, you dork
Larry!).
Crud. Sorry to all for the false alarm.
BTW: The text next to the star in the center circle of Pisces (f70v2)
is one of the days, not related to the star name. There are 29 ladies
for this month + the day in the center = 30 days.
That leaves the question: If the woman do represent days, then either
there must be some numbering involved, or some indicator stating the
order of how to read them. Has anyone found a way to see which order
the women should be read in? Some pages seem to have spaces between
some of the ladies (which may or may not indicate breaks), and others do
not. The text in the circles also is not clearly broken in a logical
fashion in all instances.
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Larry Roux
Syracuse University
lroux@xxxxxxx
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>>> John@xxxxxxxxxxxx 02/09/03 09:43 AM >>>
You had my hopes up there for a bit!
In your statements below you added two words together oty and
ar... so I
assume
that oteos + arar should be added together as well which makes for about
38
(if s & r are equal).
I really was hoping you were on to something when you stated all
of the
light aries
were less than 15 and all the dark were greater than 15.
Unfortunately, I don't get the same results...
For f71r (light aries)...
oteoaldy = 6+1+5+2+8+9 = 31
oteolar = 6+1+2+5+7 = 21
okeoaly...
otaleky = 5+2+6+3+9 = 24 (which is oddly equal to otaldy
5+2+8+9)
oteos.arar?? 6+1+7 (14?)+ 5+7+5+7 = 24 (+14? = 38)
otalaly = 5+2+5+2+9 = 23
otoloaram = 1+2+1+5+7+5+? 21 + (8 or 9?)
Aries dark...
okoly...
otolaiin = 1+2+5+5+iin = 13+iin
oteo alols araly = 6+1 +5+2+1+2+7? +5+7+5+2+9 = (7+17+28=52)
oteoeey otal okeal ar == high number again obviously
otear araydy = 6+5+7 +5+7+5+9+8+9 = (18+43=61)
otalchy tar am dy
opchey sal
otokaiman
okalal
otaly = 5+2+9 = 16
oalcheg
otchodals
okolshy
otshshdy
otal ypsharal
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Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:09 PM
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Subject: RE: VMs: Astronomical Notes, Comments, and Replies
I have done some additional work on the zodiac charts.
Assuming that each "nymph" represented a day, I tried to find a
numerical system that would work for the corresponding words.
I have applied the following to f71v, f1r, and a couple others and found
the same result every time.
It appears that logical numbers may be obtained using the same method I
was trying with the glyphs earlier.
This works for those words beginning with eva "ot". I am working on a
system for the others now.
If you take the words beginning with eva "ot" you can take the rest of
the letters and add up the values as follows:
q = 0
o = 1
l = 2
k or t = 3
ch or Sh = 4
a = 5
e or ee = 6
r = 7
d = 8
y or b = 9
you get a number.
For instance, on f70v2 you get
oty = 9
otar = 12 (5+7)
oty ar = 21 (9 + 5 + 7)
otaldy = 24
etc.
If you do this for all the nymph "ot"s on the zodiac pages you get no
duplicate #s, and, more importantly, you do not get any < 15 in the
"light" page f71v but do not get any on the "dark" page f71r. You do
get some on the "30 day" pages, which is logical.
May be just a coincidence that it worked for the 4 or 5 pages I looked
at so far, so I aint counting my chickens yet, and it appears that if
this is what is going on there is a different scheme for those that
start with "ok".
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Larry Roux
Syracuse University
lroux@xxxxxxx
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>>> John@xxxxxxxxxxxx 02/08/03 07:29 AM >>>
Robert...
"That the number/letter correspondences on f49v work for
dates in the Astro section indicates that the Author didn't
bother to create new characters for the numbers, just
assigned them to letters, as shown in the alphabetic
arrangement I posted the other day."
You state this as a fact rather than as a theory here. The
number/letter
correspondences
may appear to work on f49v for dates -- but that has not in fact been
proven. It is still quite
evident in my eyes that one can 'make' it look like a match to one of
the
millions of stellar
events that have happened over time focusing in on the ones you want it
to
match. The time lines
for your dates seem a little 'late' in my view - but that is only
supposition on my part.
I think you should certainly keep focusing on finding more
matching date
information, including day, month, year. How come you haven't even
ventured
into the zodiac pages yet? With 30 'days' of data for each of the
available
zodiacs - if your numbers work - a consistent pattern should reveal a
consistent method to read the zodiac pages...
John Grove.
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