Re: VMs: George of Trebizond...?

["Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>]

Can you give more info on how you count?  I don't get the "males" you do. Do you start with "dark aries" or light aries?  The text next to the character would help too.

In pisces the male, I believe is on the outer ring, which if you start from the inside would make him well more than 10...

You don't think the character facing the wrong direction on each line has anything to do with a starting point?


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These are counting up from zero: so (unless I've got this wrong) it would 
be correct to say that Trebizond's natal moon was in the sixth degree of 
Pisces, his sun in the 24th degree of Aries, etc.

Now - the bizarre thing is this: if you count the VMS zodiac degrees in the 
way I've previously suggested seems most logical (ie, clockwise, inner ring 
first, starting from 10 o'clock), then...
Sun     Pisces degree 6 nymph           male
Moon    Aries degree 24 nymph           male
Merc    Aries degree 21 nymph           male
Venu    Taurus degree 8 nymph           male (though hard to tell)
Mars    Aries degree 12 nymph           (hard to tell)
Jupi    Gemini degree 2 nymph           (hard to tell)
Satu    Scorpio degree 22 nymph female (I think)

If this is true, then - given that there are so few male nymphs - how 
statistically likely is this?

Could this be the mechanism by which Trebizond's horoscope is 
steganographically hidden within the VMS zodiac pages? Could Trebizond, 
drawing these diagrams, have encoded the planetary positions in his own 
natal chart by representing them as male figures, surrounded by a mass of 
female figures?

Discuss! :-)

>Did Trebizond ever see the copy of Ptolemy's
>handy tables that are now Vat.Gr.1291? It's
>by itself extremely likely. If he did, he may
>well have written about it. John Monfasani
>might even know. I actually never contacted him
>about the VMs since IMHO this is such a long
>shot, but Nick, if you are already in contact
>with him, it might be possible to find out.

I'll be perfectly happy to ask Monfasani but really only after I've 
properly checked out his two books (as a matter of professional courtesy etc).

Note: his opinion of this whole possibility? "Quite extraordinary". :-)

>The handwriting of his son, on the other hand, has
>a typical elegant humanist trait.

Hmmm... if his son was a code-maker... who knows! :-)

Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....

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