Re: VMs: Time to get hands dirty

["john stojko" <oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: "John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: VMs: Time to get hands dirty


> We've been through this before (thanks, Big Jim). I understand enough of
the
> Slavic languages to know that what you have produced doesn't work without
> someone making random choices for the number of vowels they wish to put in
> to make a stream of selective consonants resemble some sort of sense.
>
John, please use the alphabet given and show me what you mean.
Please use actual VMs page or paragraph for your demonstration.

> John, please go back to the archives and look at all the questions you
> refused to answer back then.

Is that the archive where you made your own ciphers and send me as a test?

>
> John.
>
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> From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of john stojko
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:21 PM
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> Subject: Re: VMs: Time to get hands dirty
>
>
> John, you wrote;
> "So, in my view John's theory as it stands is wrong, because no one else
is
> capable of duplicating the results."
>
> To duplicate any result one has to do the work. But if one, like you John,
> only believes that it is wrong than the truth will be believe but not the
> truth.
>
>
>
> Now is the "time to get hands dirty".
>
> In my site  http://home.att.net/~oko/home.htm  I give step by step the
> process of my decipherment. I believe it is transparent and by use of my
> alphabet that is given, one can easily duplicate my steps. Obviously one
has
> to know Ukrainian language.
>
> Ukrainian belongs to the Slavic branch of languages. Hence, any one who
> knows Slavic language can follow my steps and read and understand in their
> own language from 60% to 80% what is written.
>
> I believe that in this group there are enthusiasts that know Slavic
language
> or are of Slavic origin. One does not have to know Ukrainian to prove or
> disprove my decipherment. The rule is given and is transparent.
>
> But if one does not know Ukrainian he has no choice but to believe in what
> he believes.
>
>
> john
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 11:45 AM
> Subject: RE: VMs: Time to get hands dirty
>
>
> > >Rule of thumb: You can NOT prove something is "wrong" unless you know
> what
> > is "right." If you don't know what is right, it is ALL speculation.
> >
> > If the same results can not be accomplished by anyone else following
> > the given set of rules - then the rules that make up the solution can
> > certainly
> > be considered wrong. If it doesn't work - it's wrong. This doesn't mean
> that
> > the
> > concept is wrong necessarily, but if it can't be duplicated then the
> > inventor of
> > the hypothetical solution needs to revise his rules so that others could
> > repeat
> > the application of those rules and arrive at the same results.
> >
> > So, in my view John's theory as it stands is wrong, because no one else
is
> > capable of duplicating the results. You are right that it is impossible
to
> > disprove
> > a belief. People believe in lots of things and very little will ever
> > convince them
> > not to stop believing. Logic doesn't play a role in those discussions,
but
> > logic
> > does play a role in 'reading'.
> >
> > John.
> >
> >
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