Re: Re: The Hoax Theory (was: VMs: Codex Seraphinianus...?)

["Bernd Neuner" <bernd.neuner@xxxxxx>]

I definitely would be interested! I have tried to come up with some
likely hoaxing/one-way coding schemes myself, and I think it is a
good idea to create an overview of what's there!

Cheers,

Bernd

vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx schrieb am 16.07.03 10:03:17:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I've argued previously that if someone can describe a hoaxing mechanism
> which produces the distinctive characteristics of Voynichese using
> techniques available in 1586 or before, then Occam's razor makes a hoax
> the default explanation.
> 
> Unfortunately, it's not quite as simple as that - the hoaxing mechanism
> would need to reproduce both the qualitative and the quantitative features
> of Voynichese. The latter are likely to be more difficult to reproduce,
> since they are likely to depend on the specific setup of the hoaxing
> mechanism, rather than the underlying concept of the mechanism.
> 
> My attempts to reproduce a hoax have shown that some of the allegedly
> complex features of the VMS are actually quite easy to hoax, but others
> aren't... Would anyone be interested in a digest of this, if I post it on
> my Website?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Gordon
> 
> Rene Zandbergen wrote:
> 
> > --- Seth Morabito <sethm@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been a proponent of the theory that the
> > > VMs is a hoax for some time.
> >
> >  [...]
> >
> > > All this points to "Hoax" to me, a 16th century
> > > hoax.  The seller manufactures a manuscript,
> > > manages to obtain an audience with Rudolph
> > > II, convinces him that the manuscript is an
> > > undecipherable herbal and astronomical manuscript
> > > written by Roger Bacon, and walks away with a
> > > purse full of money.
> >
> > Yes, that is a perfectly simple and even credible
> > scenario to me. The problem is that we should be
> > able to reconstruct how the text was composed,
> > and we're not.
> >
> > That is a problem of about the same magnitude as
> > having an uncrackable 15th century code.
> >
> > Having an unintelligible 15th century language
> > seems a far more acceptable problem to me, in the
> > sense that it is a far more acceptable type of
> > 'incompetence' on the side of the VMs community,so
> > I wonder what Occam's razor would have to say about
> > that.
> > The balance in favour of the 'unknown language'
> > is however countered (IMHO) by the fact that this
> > is the only known text that uses it.
> >
> > That brings us to the possibility that this is
> > an invented language.
> > You come up with the same suggestion (as others
> > must also have in the past), and it is a valid
> > option, IMHO.
> >
> > Cheers, Rene
> >
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