VMs: AW: Re: VMS-List-Archive Search Engine

["Sebastian Unterreitmeier" <sebastian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>might it simply be a better idea to see if the whole  archive can be
>email-address-mangled and made accessible via Google Groups instead?

well, thats a difficult question.
google as a company do a lot of work do prevent such thinks, so i think
they wouldnt do that...

>We might even be able to set up an automatic update whereby posts to the
>lists get redirected to an email-stripping Perl script, which then posts
>that directly on to Google Groups - this would keep any searches 100%
>up-to-the-minute.

google groups only index newsgroups and so i think we would need a
usegroup where all the messages where posted to. (see below)

>archives to individual mails (AIUI, they've had a load of these to deal
>with in the past), and so would have no difficulty making near-perfect
>sense of these themselves.

i think they dont needed to deal with converting email, because usenet-
messages are a lot easier to index. each message have a "reference"-
field which is used for that purpose.

>might be a good idea for one person here to try to open up a correspondence
>with Google Groups to see if it can be arranged. Any offers for being that
>person?

well, i would do it, but - to be honest - i see no chance for this. :/

>on the process you should go through to get a newsgroup added to the list -
>but (as I mentioned) it may well turn out to be just a little bit more
>involved than that (though fingers crossed that it's a breeze). :-)

thanks for your work. :)
unfortunately i think we have never a chance to use a newsgroup as an
archive, because to preserve the date of an email we need to fake a
usenet-message with this date, and i think there are "netcops" out there
who will kill people for this. :/
creating a newsgroup is simple, you only need to post a message with a
special format and bodytext and than the newsgroup is created.
short time later about 20 cancelposts for deleting this newsgroup will be
around and you will have a harsh email in your mailbox, saying that you cant
create a new newsgroup without going trough a special neswgroup creation-
process. here is a short snippet from the faq-file just to imagine what
a hard process this is:
"A proposal (for a new newsgroup) officially begins with the posting of
a Request for Discussion (RFD) in news.announce.newgroups. A valid RFD must
contain a rationale for the proposal, charters for all newsgroups which
would be created or changed, and moderator information sections for all
created or changed groups that are proposed to be moderated. The RFD must
be crossposted to news.groups, should be crossposted to groups likely to
 be affected by the proposal, and may be crossposted to other related
newsgroups."

after this a long discussion starts and mostly the deny it. if one is
bored, reading news.announce.newgroups is really "funny" if one have
some sense of black humor. ;)
well, i think we could manage to get a voynich-newsgroup to use it for
the further communication, but thats not what the mailinglist want and
it wont help with the archive. :/

>PS: email address mangling aside, are there any other reasons why the
>archive shouldn't be made universally accessible? For example, are there
>any historic posts which people would rather not be made accessible in this
>way?

that is really a good question. we could delete those emails before
importing
it into the search and we could use an opt-out-feature so that everyone
can have his/her emails deleted after the search is online, but currently i
dont know how to handle this with quotes form that person in other peoples
emails. :/

kind regards,
sebastian


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