VMs: RE: Language A/B in quire 7...?

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

	Good question... and I suppose Rene is probably the best one to answer this
as he has done a lot more work on the languages aspect than most of us.

	Just how many occurrences of 'dy' or stand-alone finals on a page qualify
the page as 'B' per Currier's rules (a/f) below?  One point that isn't
listed here is lines beginning with 'l' are much more prominent in 'B' as
well and there is one on f52r.

	How many chol/chor/chain/chaiin/chot/cth's to 'A' pages per rule's (b
through e)?



(a) Final <89> [dy in EVA] is very high in Language 'B'; almost
non-existent in Language 'A.'

(b) The symbol groups <ctox> [chol in EVA] and <cto2> [chor in EVA] are very
high in 'A'
and occur repeated; low in 'B'.

(c) The symbol groups <ctaiv> [chain] and <ctaiiv> [chaiin] rarely occur in
'B'; medium frequency in 'A.'

(d) Initial <ctoqp> [chot] high in 'A'; rare in 'B.'

(e) Initial <cqpt> [cth] very high in 'A'; very low in 'B.'

(f) 'Unattached' finals scattered throughout Language 'B'
texts in considerable profusion; generally *much* less
noticeable in Language 'A.'

	In support of Nick's comment that f52 may be a 'B' language:

	f52r as I mentioned already does have a line-initial 'l' (not a Currier
rule - by itself, but does fall into rule 'f' as a stand-alone.
	- contains 6 'dy' finals (rule a)
	- NO chain/chaiin/chot (rules c/d)
	f52v has a stand-alone 'dy' and 'aiin' and 'r' and 'al (possibly 'ol')
(rule f)
	- two 'dy' on page. (rule a)
	- NO chain/chaiin/chot (rules c/d)

	Against:

	52r has a 'chor'
	has one 'cth', one 'cph', one 'ckh', one 'cfh'
	52v has two 'chor', three 'chol', four 'cph', six 'cth', one 'ckh'


	So -- is it A or B or a mix A/B variant?

	John.

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Subject: VMs: Language A/B in quire 7...?


Hi everyone,

The recent re-post of a link to Currier's 1976 comments on Duvernoi's site
reminded me to take another look at Currier's language attribution (which
I've been meaning to do for a while).

I've recently been looking at quire 7: while the outermost bifolio
(f49+f56) is without a doubt Language A, and the next bifolio in (f50+f55)
is Language B, to my eyes the two central bifolios (f51+f54, and f52+f53)
look much more like Language B than Language A - but this is at variance
with the interlinear etc, where the central two are both marked up as 'A1'.

Can someone else please double-check this? Having eight pages of text
mislabelled would surely be extremely unhelpful for any person (or any
program!) trying to understand the differences between Herbal A and Herbal
B. :-(

Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....


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