Re: VMs: Blanks

[steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>]

 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:09:31 +0000
 From: Nick Pelling <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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 Subject: Re: VMs: Blanks
 
 Hi Maurizio,
 
 At 19:01 02/03/2004 +0100, Maurizio Gavioli wrote:
 >Does anyone with a greater familiarity with late medieval / early modern 
 >cyphers can summarize the status of the blank in them?
 
 AFAIK, usually removed - they make it too easy to guess words. :-)
 
 My guess is that some magical ciphers may rely on the shapes of their 
 letters for their power (rather than their unreadability), so there might 
 be examples of ciphers where spaces were retained.
 
 I also don't know if there is a date before which people didn't think to 
 remove spaces at all.
 
 >I mean: there are occurrences of cyphers ignoring the blanks altogether? 
 >And of cyphers *restoring* 'faked' blanks (randomly?) in the cripted text?
 
 I don't recall any of the sources I've read on early cryptography 
 specifically mentioning the reversible coding of blanks in ciphertext, but 
 it's certainly possible. For example, in the past I've suggested a "space 
 transposition cipher": this would work by removing real spaces and 
 inserting fake spaces at plausible-looking syllable ends (say).
 
 ie: fo rex amp leint hepas ti vesug ge ste dasp acet ran spo siti oncip  her. :-)
 
 This is, however, purely conjecture on my part (and is only "mostly 
 reversible"). :-o
 
 >Or, at the other end, of cyphers considering the blank a character in 
 >itself, taking part to the cripting algorithm?
 
 Again, it's certainly possible, but I don't know of any recorded examples 
 in early cryptography. My instinct would be that this would have been 
 conceptually unlikely in Europe before the advent of printing (because it 
 requires seeing space as a serialised printed character), and only vaguely 
 plausible after that (because thinking in ASCII is a modern peculiarity). :-o
 
 Cheers, .....Nick Pelling..... 
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hi all :-)
 
 ie: fo rex amp leint hepas ti vesug ge ste dasp acet ran spo siti oncip  her. :-)

~WRONG MIRROR~? the above is a REVERSE MIRROR (with spacings)(as in a 
reflecting looking glass) 
*see the FOLD* 

But you're closing in on IT !!!  :-) :-)

D*Rn, this is _harder_ to explain, then shown by ES (ha.ha), but, try 
this: 

AND, *YES* I know I'm just 1 of 12 (so, 11 more helps needed here)
AND, *YES* I know I'm suggesting 1/2 entropy to both ALPHA & Numeric 
    entries (per # (TTT) area of a folded key), but THIS FOLDING/ 8* 
    produces the VMS's _LoW entropy_ (using most any Language) 

BOTH SIDES *FIT*: But not "(reflective)Mirror", closer to Jeffs 
reversing of my folded key... that change my left to right (top to 
bottom) to HIS (up & down / reversed.mirror)

But, (per ES) this has NO recorded examples in early/current 
     cryptography! 

expert? NO, Touched by ES (once) * Y E S *, &/or since? = NO

I think (dumb steve dumb?) that THAT was the reasaon for the ES Visit 
10.6.2000(MST:22:45)10:45PM. The TIME IS NOW for this NEW deCODING. 

I can remember THIS DATE?... when are my family dates/b.dates? I 
haven't 
a clue (1/2 time)... - while this proves nothing, I would just like to 
suggest 
that NO-ONE has SEEN/RECORDED this coding before -- (SoRrY, I knew 
THAT from 
day 
1, &  that is the only reason I bothered to tell you all about it)... 
IT IS W A Y COOL, and good for ALL (esp. women), but G O O D for 
ALL!


Seemed the ~WORLD SHOULD KNOW NOW~ :-)


best to you & yours
-=se=-
steve (back under my rock here) ekwall :-)

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*8 (note) the actual "folding of your KEY paper/vellum?" produces the 
TTT (or Tic.Tac.Board effect - 9 <NINE>squares TOTAL), since ES said 
"THE CENTER IS 
YOURS", I assume(?) the "languages (alpha/num.1/2'd) possibles" ARE 
(8x4)x2= 64  x2= 128 | TOTAL ON THE LOW SIDE of the Language Inserted.

Grabbing it "ALL" (per ES /OURS?) + CENTER TTT = (9*4)x2= 72 x2 =144
 | TOTAL ON THE _HIGH SIDE_ of the/any Language Inserted.


but the 
gallows fall 
apart _above_ this #9 number :-(

The 'double exposure' or a number or position would to me explain why 
the computer people find it facinating. (just looking at it overall)!



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