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RE: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r

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Subject: RE: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:32:21 -0400
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Agreed.  If John ever provides a linear proof of his "solution" I'll look at it again.  In the meantime I consider his solution a more likely hoax than the Voy itself.

Oh well, back to solving it myself then <grin>




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Larry Roux
Syracuse University
lroux@xxxxxxx
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>>> 4groves@xxxxxxxxx 04/08/04 22:26 PM >>>

	Larry,

	You're about to start flogging a dead horse again.

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From: "Larry Roux" <LRoux@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r


> OK, what do you mean "Original Transcription"?  Do you want a Bitmap of
the page?
>
Scan the santance or paragraph from the VMs. folio page.
I consider this as original VMs. inscription.

> Forget it.

May be I should.

> Until you show the logical progression from Voynich to Vowelless Ukrainian
to Ukrainian with vowels (and it would be nice to have an English
translation) your theory is a non starter.

If you send me scaned santance or paragraph I will do for you.
In my home page I give just that only in Ukrainian alphabet.
You can easely transcribe to English alphabet.
Use my table of alphabets.
English translation is there.
>
>
>
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> Syracuse University
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> >>> oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/08/04 04:32PM >>>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Roux" <LRoux@xxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
>
>
> > This is the original VMS inscription  tochso otchl qokeeedy cheey
cheeteey
> > Apparently I have no idea what you are looking for.
>
> If you claim that this is original VMs. inscription than you should know
the
> meaning.
> To me original insciption is the inscription given in VMs. alphabet.
> The transliterated VMs. alphabet to any alphabet is not original.
> There is reason for this why I wont original inscription.
>
> John
>
> >
> > ******************************
> > Larry Roux
> > Syracuse University
> > lroux@xxxxxxx
> > *******************************
> >
> > >>> oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/08/04 01:18PM >>>
> > Larry, if you really wont me to read than send me the original VMs.
> > inscription.
> > Well, you call CHART I call Table of alphabets.
> > Now we understand each other.
> > John
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
> >
> >
> > > The sentence I gave was in Voy (EVA) if you wish it in another
> > transcription I can do so.  And the EVA letters "t" and "e" seem to be
> > missing.
> > >
> > > The chart I speak of is on
http://home.att.net/~oko/voynich/v-cipher.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************
> > > Larry Roux
> > > Syracuse University
> > > lroux@xxxxxxx
> > > *******************************
> > > >>> oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/07/04 21:30 PM >>>
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
> > >
> > >
> > > > John: I think the reason people discount the Ukrainian solution is
> that
> > > > 1) The text seems to have nothing to do with the pictures
> > >
> > > Yes, you are right.
> > > The pictures have nothing to do with the VMs text. The pictures were
> made
> > > for a peaple that
> > > claimed to be God's. Hence not of this word.
> > >
> > > > 2) I have not seen a translation you have done, with the path you
used
> > to
> > > get there: ie a line of Voy, your translation, then the English
> > >
> > > Re: my home page http://home.att.net/~oko/voynich/voynich.htm
> > > In introduction you will find step by step how I deciphered.
> > > You can convert from Ukrainian to English alphabet by using my
alphabet
> > > table.
> > > The original VMs text is given.
> > >
> > >
> > > > For instance:  I would like to see this:
> > > >
> > > > Voy (from F68r1): tochso otchl qokeeedy cheey cheeteey
> > >
> > > I do not know the language.
> > > So, how can I show you?
> > > My alphabet consist of consonants ony. In about example you have
vowels.
> > > Please explaine.
> > >
> > > > From your chart : ?WPDW  W?PL  SWT???KS  P??S  P?????S
> > > > Ukrainian with vowels: ???
> > > > English: ???
> > >
> > > What chart?
> > > Larry, if you wont me to translate, please give me the original VMs
> phrase
> > > or sentance.
> > > I will do the translation for you.
> > > >
> > > > There are several missing symbols on your chart so I couldn't
> translate
> > > correctly.  If you could show me the above for a paragraph of the Voy
I
> > > would take a serious look at your work, but until that is done it is
> just
> > > another unfounded theory.
> > > >
> > > There are no missing symbols in my alphabet. The only missing from my
> > > alphabet table is numbers.
> > > In the introduction I give few samples how the letters are combined.
> > > Yes there are more combination of two letters that looks like one.
> > >
> > > > Belief is all in the proof!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ******************************
> > > > Larry Roux
> > > > Syracuse University
> > > > lroux@xxxxxxx
> > > > *******************************
> > > > >>> oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/07/04 17:06 PM >>>
> > > > Jeff,
> > > > In my home page is posted VMS alphabet.
> > > > The defined alphabet does not change with each page or paragraph.
> > > > From page 1 to the last page the alphabet and language are the same.
> > > > The space between words and phrases are well marked and stay
> > > > the same. Using my alphabet and knowledge of Ukrainian language
> > > > one can read and understand what is written in VMS.
> > > > You may not agree, but this does not change what is there.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jeff" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:35 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Re: VMs: Further investigatio of folio f1r
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: "john stojko" <oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: 07 April 2004 02:26
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Jan!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan, your language is Slavic, so is Ukrainian.
> > > > > > I would like to make the following suggestion.
> > > > > > Take my defined alphabet consisting of consonants.
> > > > > > Than read any page and add your own vowels.
> > > > > > You should be able to get 70% of words in your own language
> > > > > > and the understanding of VMS.
> > > > > > My Home page;
> > > > > > http://home.att.net/~oko/home.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The same is true for other Slavic languages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The thing about the VMS is that language constructs itself easily
> for
> > > any
> > > > > language up to a point. That is why as Rene has said several
> > > translations
> > > > > have been made in the past. The underlying structure lends itself
to
> > > this
> > > > > but beware the pitfalls.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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