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Re: VMs: 1006184 & 1006185



Hi

The point I am trying to make (non-tetchily) is simply that 'looks-like' is very subjective. The drawing in question doesn't look like a strawberry plant - any strawberry plant - for a number of reasons I listed. I'd be happier if the similarities were pointed out in as much detail. The possibility that strawberry plants differed so radically only 500 years ago seems implausible - any glance at a herbal from 500 years back reveals plants looking recognizably the same as they do now. And, as I pointed out, if a plant is important for herbal reasons it is likely to have been cultivated in some way, or at least perpetuated.

The problem with interpretation is that it can lead down false paths.

So - if there are suggestions about plants - fine - lets have them with good details of the similarities AND THE DIFFERENCES.

Then we can all evaluate the candidates. If I don't speak up someone will asume that there is a wild strawberry illustration - and there isn't.

William



Nick Pelling wrote:

Hi William,

At 14:21 08/06/2004 +0100, William Edmondson wrote:

I really think we do have to be careful about being over-interpretative.

Many of the VMS drawings are vaguely reminiscent of plants we know (and
evolution won't have wrought many changes to herbally useful plants, in
my view, because relevant seeds would have been kept for growing on the
species).  But they really do seem to be drawn by someone who has never
really looked at plants.  Or maybe someone who did look - but drew from
memory in the absence of specimens (dry or otherwise).  In short - the
plant drawings do not seem to be a record of things known, rather they
seem to remind of such records - or are intended to look like such a
record (and because the text is uninterpretable such reminding adds
verisimilitude....).


Systematically suggesting reasonable herbal matches (the path that Dana has diligently followed for some time now) is far from being "over-interpretative": in fact, I'd say it is actually trying to construct a practical basis by which the kind of conclusions you mention may (eventually) be drawn.

I completely accept that f5v may well look nothing like the wild strawberries in your garden, but how good is your knowledge of European wild strawberry varieties from half a millennium ago?

Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
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