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RE: VMs: Search for missing folios, quires et al.
Yes... and I would hazard a guess that the manuscript was already in the
current order and foliated at that time.
If you were to send portions of an unknown manuscript to a scholar for
deciphering, wouldn't you send them samples from the various contexts...
Say cut out one herbal page (folio 12),
cut out one zodiac foldout (f74... [in my opinion more than one panel here]
take out a large foldout that makes up a quire on its own - content unknown
(91/92)
take out a second large foldout - probably pharmaceutical (97/98).
Wouldn't that be a fair sampling? Okay, no balneo or bio unless they appear
in the 91/92 set - but
nonetheless a good sample for Kircher to play with. At the very least we
know that folio 12 and folio 74
were severed from the previously numbered (and probably bound) manuscript. -
although we don't know that
these were the pages sent to Kircher.
On the same concept, if Voynich sent portions (59-65) to scholars for
opinions - why did he choose one context only - or was there more to those
pages than common Herbal pages as possibly indicated by 57v and 66r? I
wonder if Voynich thought those pages in particular laid out the information
needed (along with some pictures) to decipher the text.
John.
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From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Larry Roux
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:50 AM
To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: VMs: Search for missing folios, quires et al.
We know that Georg Bareschi mentions in his letter that "a portion of the
book" was sent to Kircher. Where it went after Kircher got it ...ah, now
there is a mystery.
Larry Roux
Syracuse University
lroux@xxxxxxx
>>> John@xxxxxxxxxxxx 06/28/04 08:19AM >>>
Hmmm...
Quire 16 and 18 are still missing pre-newbold. We've gained
information about the specific number of pages that were 'there' at that
time between folios 59-65 which is a little more proof that the foliator
was consistent in his work. Also, the context he put those missing folios
in is Botanical. Out of 132 pages he noted 125 that had drawings and 5
that had text only (130) (f.12 not included). Unfortunately, he doesn't
say what kind of drawings... obviously f57v isn't exactly botanical looking
although it is certainly attached to pages that are.
As for quire 16 & 18... it looks peculiar when summarized
by Newbold that those folios in his mind were on the same bifolios...
91 and 98, 92 and 97; However that isn't likely the case since we have
a quire signature on 90, and the next one (after missing 16) on 96.
So, I think quire 16 (and perhaps 18) were large foldouts
like the Rosettes in order to get a quire signature in 2 bifoloios each.
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From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of DANA SCOTT
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 7:48 PM
To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: VMs: Search for missing folios, quires et al.
The following is the folio summarization found in "The Cipher of Roger
Bacon" by William Romaine Newbold, edited by Roland Grubb Kent (originally
published by University of Pennsylvania Press, Philadelphia, Humphrey
Milford: Oxford University Press, London, 1928, reprinted by Sacred Science
Library www.sacredscience.com, 2002, p.45).
Leaves Text Drawings Missing Total
Part I. Botanical, 65 pp.5 pp.125 (f.12) pp.2 pp.132
ff. 1-11, 13-66
Part II. Astronomical, 7
ff. 67-73, of which
ff. 67, 70
(each = pp. 4) = 8
ff. 68, 72
(each = pp. 6) = 12
ff. 69, 71, 73
(each = pp. 2) = 6 .. 0 PP. 26 (f.74) pp.2 pp. 18
--
PP. 26
Part III. Biological, 12
ff. 75-86 of which
ff. 75-84
(each = pp. 2) = 10
ff. 85-86
(large sheet) = 12
--
pp. 32 .. pp. 4 pp. 28 0 pp. 32
Part IV. Pharmaceutical, 12
ff. 87-90, 93-96, 99-101
of which
87, 88, 93, 94, 96, 100
(each = pp. 2) = 14
89, 90, 95, 101, 101
(each = pp. 4) = 20 (ff.91,92,97
pp. 34 .. 0 pp. 34 98) = pp. 8 pp. 42
Part V. Text only, 12 pp.24 0 (ff. 109,110) pp. 18
ff. 103-108, 111-116 = pp. 4
----------------------------------------
108 pp.33 pp.213 (ff.8) pp.16 pp.161
Regards,
Dana Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gabriel Landini" <G.Landini@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: VMs: Search for missing folios, quires et al.
> On Sunday 27 June 2004 16:28, Nick Pelling wrote:
> > Is Newbold's book out of copyright yet? If it is, it would be a good
> > thing
> > for a willing listmember to scan (there's plenty of hosting webspace out
> > there if you just ask for it).
>
> Hmm... good idea. (I haven't read the book, btw)
>
> > Similarly, we might find items of relevance to this "missing leaves"
> > issue
> > in the Voynich papers for the critical 1919-1931 period. I don't know if
> > the Grolier Club would be interested in allowing scans of Box 6 to be
> > made
> > - has anyone asked them?
> > http://www.grolierclub.org/LibraryAMC.VoynichPapers.htm
>
> I have forgotten completely about this. Has anybody seen the contents or
> been
> in contact with this library?
>
> Cheers,
> Gabriel
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