Re: VMs: New Member: Comparison to Medical Astrology Text

[Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Jean!

Thank you for asking about the style of astrology I
practice.  I attempt to stick as closely to pre-1700
astrology as possible.  This means I disregard
"modern" planets and rulerships, asteroids, etc.  I
stick with the same elements Dee or Kepler might have
used when doing astrology.

The one thing that strikes me as unusual about the VMs
with regard to astrology is the eight-limbed spiral
figure.  Cardinal divisons of eight are highly unusual
in traditional Western astrology, which is based on
the Egyptian system.  This means we use twelve to
divide 360, further divided into four angles and each
of those four angles are divided into three houses,
with thirty degrees and three decades of ten degrees
in each house.  This division is not identical to our
civil calendar, but it shows how we arrive at a
roughly thirty-day month or sign, and how that
predisposes us to significant astrological numbers
capable of dividing twelve (six, four, three, two).  I
understand that the Aztecs, however, used eight to
divide their astrological calendar into 360, further
divided the calendar by two, so they ended up with the
equivalent of sixteen months with twenty days in each
month and threw in an extra five days' celebration for
makeup to arrive at 365 for the civil calendar. 

My point is that eight is a division seldom seen in
Western astrology.  There are seven planets (called
the "wandering stars"), twelve houses, twelve signs, 
four seasons, four angles in the chart, four cardinal
directions, four elements, three degrees of "speed" of
change in each sign, two genders, two luminaries, etc.
 The cardinal number eight is very, very seldom seen.

If the VMs is using a division of eight with reference
to cosmology or astrology, that interests me in the
way that something out of place tends to catch our
attention and prompt us to begin to ask questions. 
It's not entirely inexplicable, but it may hold some
significance and give us a few clues once we have run
down all the possibilities of what it might mean.

Thanks for the stimulating questions!

Warmly,

Pam



--- jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Greetings, Pam!
>  
> You and your demonstration are warmly welcome. I
> have to admit I am convinced, although I am not a
> cryptanalyst or a linguist.
>  
> Please note that as already and recently written in
> this list the same fact is also valid for other
> theoretically possible VMS contents, such as
> rituals, songs, rhymes...
>  
> Now what could be the next step? There is a strong
> connection as you stated between medieval astrology
> and simultaneous medical practises.
> Both are possibly present in the VMS.
>  
> I understand that you are more an astrologer than a
> physician. I have a question for you: what is your
> first impression as a "beginner" about astrology in
> the VMS? You already know that some parts of it are
> generally considered as more astrologically oriented
> ( in principle ;-) ).
>  
> For instance, here, Pam and everyone is something
> perhaps that could be considered from an astrolgical
> point of view:
>  
> http://coa.hubcom.net/mhplan.htm
>  
> 
> "There is an unreflective trend in modern astrology
> which seeks to oust the traditional rulers of signs
> by giving exclusive rulership to the trans-Saturnian
> planets. Uranus is said to rule Aquarius, Neptune to
> rule Pisces and Pluto to rule Scorpio. This creates
> an erroneous understanding of the traditional
> symbolism of the planets and their relationship with
> the signs of the zodiac. The relationship is best
> shown visually (see diagram)."
> 
> Seeing the diagram on above web site page, what are
> the similiarities and differencies with such VMS
> drawing, if of course there is ou beloved MS
> something comparable? But perhaps, almost certainly,
> this was already done previously (sigh).
> 
> Warmly anyway,
> 
> Jean
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Greetings!
> 
> I am a new member interested in the VMs primarily
> because I am studying medical astrology of a similar
> historical period.
> 
> Someone has raised the interesting suggestion that
> some of the characters in the document may be
> astrological glyphs for the 12 signs or the Zodiac,
> the four elements, etc. I believe this is worth
> pursuing. Please forgive me if this has already been
> discussed, but I wonder if anyone has looked at
> portions of texts of contemporary medical astrology
> to
> see how many times single glyphs appear instead of
> phonemes.
> 
> Here are two paragraphs from Richard Saunders' _The
> Astrological Judgement and Practice of Physick_, in
> a
> section cautioning the practitioner when to begin or
> not to begin a therapeutic treatment according to
> astrology. All the lexical items within parenthesis
> are expressed with a single glyph. This example is
> from is published material; due to the restricted
> number of glyphs in typeset, a manuscript might be
> expected to have an even higher number of single
> glyphs, particularly in a chart or in crowded areas
> accompanying illustrations: 
> 
> The (Moon) in (Aries), it is caused of thin and
> subtil
> yellow Choler and Flegm; if the (Moon) be in
> (conjunction) or application with (Mars), of if
> (Mars)
> be the Lord of the (twelfth) in the New of the Moon,
> of Lord of the (6th) in the wane, it causeth yellow
> jaundices, and over-flowing of Choler in the Liver
> from the Gall.
> 
> . . . .
> 
> And when it happeneth so, that (Mars) or (Sun) be
> the
> lord of the (6th), (10th), or (12th) house, or lord
> of
> the hour, it is so much the worse and harder to be
> cured, or not to be cured at all, because it is in
> the
> extremity of the (4th) degree; and if you go about
> to
> cure it, you must beware you minster not in the
> hours
> of the (Moon), (Mars), or the (Sun), but in the hour
> of (Venus), she being in (Gemini), (Libra), or
> (Aquarius), or in the hour of (Jupiter), being in
> (Cancer), (Scorpio), or (Pisces), or in the hour of
> the (Sun), he being in (Gemini), (Libra), or
> (Aquarius); the (Moon) in (Scorpio) or (Pisces),
> appling to (Venus) or (Jupiter). Neither must you
> put
> (Aries), (Leo), or (Sagittarius) in the Ascendant,
> or
> the (Moon) in (Aries), (Leo), or (Sagittarius), but
> in
> a weak Sign and place of the Heavens, where she doth
> not behold the (sixth) House, not the Ascendant, nor
> the lord of the (sixth) house, but she may behold
> the
> lord of the ascendant. Neither shall you put
> (Aries),
> (Leo), or (Sagittarius) in the (sixth), but in some
> cadent house, of this kind of Flegm is salt, hot and
> dry, clammy and burning, and the Party must be cured
> with cold and moist Medicines in the (4th) degree,
> if
> it be in (Sagittarius), and in the (third) degree or
> in (Aries) or (Leo); for it is of Flegm and Choler
> commixt.
> 
> . . . .
> 
> Of course, there are other possible abbreviations
> for
> words often repeated, such as Lord of the sixth,
> Lord
> of the fifth, etc., which some present-day
> astrologers
> notate as L6, L5, and so forth.
> 
> What I'm hoping to demonstrate is that many
> astrological locations, relationships, and bodies
> are
> referred to using a single character rather than a
> spelled-out word. Since reference to astrological
> matters may be expected throughout the document,
> this
> liberal use of single-character glyphs could apply
> to
> the botanical and pharma sections of the document as
> well as the astrological sections. 
> 
> 
> Any or all comments are welcome!
> 
> Hope this is of some interest.
> 
> Warmly,
> 
> Pam
> 
> 
> =====
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> teach ten thousand stars how not to dance."
> 
> 
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