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Re: VMs: Re: Culpeper on Henbane



Hi Dana,

Do you think a second copy of the document would
necessarily surface if it existed?

But I tend to be cynical about the intentions of the
author(s) of the document myself.  Although it seems
entirely possible that the creator(s) of the document
were sincere in their efforts, I have not put the idea
to rest that, whether it is ultimately readable and
logically cohesive or not, the VMs may have been
designed essentially for the purpose of lining the
pockets of its author(s).

If we subscribe to the presupposition that this is
indeed the document which was sold to Rudolph II, it
would need to be built on least a minimal web of
comprehensible astrological theory, or it would not
have passed the muster of a knowledgeble reader of
astrology like RII.  

So astrological viability is not the ultimate
touchstone of the document's validity, as far as I can
tell.

I admit I am intrigued with the number eight
(divisions of circle graphs into eight parts) as it
appears in the "astrological" sections of the
document.  Western astrology has barely any place for
an "eight".  Neither is the insertion of a Sun or Moon
in the center of the chart in the Western astrological
tradition, as far as I know.  Either the document is
designed in part to introduce a hitherto unknown
system of astrology, or it heavily emphasizes the few
known connotations of "eight" in Western astrology. 
Perhaps a bit of both.

Enjoying your ideas.

Warmly,

Pam  

 




--- DANA SCOTT <dscott520@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Pam,
> 
> Thank you for your kid words. I believe that you
> will find that there have 
> been divers scholars who have made excellent
> contributions to the study of 
> this most mysterious of enigmas. Yes, the VMS may be
> the quest for or 
> 'discovery' of an "Elixir of life, perhaps". It
> strikes me, though, that if 
> I had devoted myself to years of study of the known
> arts and then invested 
> the time and effort to create the VMs, I would
> hardly have wanted to depart 
> with such a unique gem, no matter how poor my
> artistic talents might have 
> been. If it were to be a one time "knock off" then I
> would want to have 
> developed it as quickly as possible before my
> sponsor lost interest or found 
> something else in which to divest hard earned
> income. In this case I would 
> most likely need to be a well trained writer of
> 'secret' script to be able 
> to have produced such a document in due time. And if
> I had been asked to 
> create a document containing all of my worldly
> knowledge on God's campus, 
> then I would surely have made a copy of the
> manuscript. Hmm, perhaps God was 
> the sponsor, at least in the mind of the scribe.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Dana Scott
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pamela Richards" <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: VMs: Re: Culpeper on Henbane
> 
> 
> > Hello, Dana
> >
> > It is an honor to have a response from someone who
> has
> > contributed as much to understanding the VMS as
> you
> > have.  I do hope I have not given the impression
> that
> > I have a great store of knowledge of botany, which
> I
> > understand is an area you are very well-versed in;
> my
> > own knowledge, such as it is, is primarily in
> > astrology.
> >
> > My guess is the import of the secrecy of the VMs
> > material in general, and the botanical segment in
> > particular, is that its buyer bought knowledge
> that
> > was not accessible to even the most well-read
> scholars
> > of the day.  If any literate person at all could
> have
> > the knowledge by simply reading the Ms word for
> word,
> > its value would not be the same.  I don't know
> that it
> > was a poison that he was hiding; on the contrary,
> with
> > all those nubile nymphs, I feel he might have been
> in
> > the market for something a bit more upbeat, don't
> you?
> >  Elixir of life, perhaps.  I have the feeling the
> > author(s) of the document thought they had
> something
> > quite special to offer.
> >
> > If there is astrological material embedded in the
> > botanical sections of the document, the purpose is
> > most likely to offer instruction on the intended
> use
> > of the herbs and the time the experiment or ritual
> or
> > treatment the Ms describes is to take place.  As
> you
> > may be aware, timing the event by the positions of
> the
> > stars in the heavens is the basis of
> VMs-contemporary
> > natural magic, medical treatment, and alchemical
> > efforts.
> >
> > If you look over the material posted from
> Saunders,
> > you will see that he is advising physicians on
> which
> > times to treat their patients.  This is a very
> common
> > use of astrology during the time of the VMs.  In
> fact,
> > the document might be considered by an astrologer,
> > alchemist or magician to be quite incomplete
> without
> > such instructions.
> >
> > Yes, I agree that Culpeper postdates the VMs
> supposed
> > time frames.  We could use alternate sources of
> > botanical information more contemporary to the
> assumed
> > date of the VMs, although it might be necessary to
> > translate them from the Latin, unless everyone on
> the
> > list is comfortable with reading botanical
> material in
> > Latin.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind attention!
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Pam
> >
> >
> >
> > --- DANA SCOTT <dscott520@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Pamela and Welcome,
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your observations
> relating
> > > Astrology to the Herbs in
> > > the VMS. I is good to have specialists in this
> area
> > > join the VMS discussion
> > > group. The first question I might ask is why
> would
> > > this be important to the
> > > author of the VMS to the extent that it would
> > > require being veiled in
> > > secrecy? What poison does s/he hide? Secondly,
> it
> > > might be said that "timing
> > > is everything". Since Culpeper postdates the
> VMS, it
> > > would be necessary to
> > > weed out what came after the VMS versus what was
> > > introduced before and
> > > during its 'enscryption'. It would not surprise
> me
> > > if the Astrological /
> > > Herbal connection proves true in the VMS, but I
> > > wonder for what reason that
> > > might be?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dana Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Pamela Richards" <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: VMs: Culpeper on Henbane
> > >
> > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > Here is an entry from Culpeper on Henbane, one
> of
> > > the
> > > > plants that I have read has been identified as
> a
> > > VMs
> > > > herb.  Culpeper gives its rulership to Saturn
> and
> > > > scoffs at a knowledgeable source which
> attributes
> > > > rulership to Jupiter.  It is possible to use
> the
> > > same
> > > > herb with a different intention, which would
> help
> > > to
> > > > explain why the rulership of a plant can be
> > > attributed
> > > > to more than one planet.
> > > >
> > > > Please note the use of astrological terms in
> the
> > > text,
> > > > which may have been expressed with glyphs in a
> > > similar
> > > > text such as the VMs.
> > > >
> > > >
> 
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"I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing, than to teach ten thousand stars how not to dance."


		
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