RE: VMs: A very important discovery!!

[steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>]

Check this out: (now that your finally are talking about gallows etc..
there are 2 types of gallows (or gallow _char's_).

1st being: 'pointer-gallows' that show which SECTION of WHICH KEY AREA 
you should put your 'pencil/qwill' to, to DECODE it.

2nd being: (and ALL c_gallows_c's gallows fall under this section:) 
the c_gallow_c's "pointer-gallows'": that AFTER FLIPPING (rotating)
your key then you proceed as always in decoding...

...pointer gallows _char_char_char whatever _char_
...c_gallows_c (FLIP/ NEW other side [not language], RESTARTING 
'4' pointer gallows (above) _char, _char_, _char, whatever.

if c_gallows_c repeat above
matters NOT which side your on, only remember the Alpha/numeric 
changes with each c_gallows_c (over & over & over etc...)

KEY is on first (#1) [top of the page] ALL THE OTHERS ARE CONTAINED 
WITHIN.

the 4 c_gallows_c cause this/our convolusions.

A SIMPLE MIRROR IMAGE!

best to you & yours :-)
-=se=-
steve (simpler than when i started this.. (ughh)) ekwall

p.s. that said, your zipf/deoding laws should reflect 'normal 
language' / 1/2 'minus total c_gallows_c (count) 

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 	The first line contains f & p type gallows throughout - other lines
 don't - isn't that the only thing that makes these lines appear as though
 they are in a different language?
 
 	John.
 
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 Subject: RE: VMs: A very important discovery!!
 
 
 Hi John!
 
  --- John Grove <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 > Jose>>>
 > [snip]Extract
 > sorted of VMS (EVA modified) without the first and
 > second token of each line that begin by gallows"),
 > in
 > these graphics we can observe that despite the first
 > and second token are erased of every line, the peaks
 > are still.
 >  By this reason we can confirm that the
 > first line of every paragraph which begin by a
 > gallow
 > is in other "language".
 >
 > 	The first line of every paragraph contains f & p
 > gallows
 > where remaining lines of the same paragraph don't.
 > How does
 > this confirm that by taking out the first gallows on
 > that line
 > signifies a change in 'language'?
 
    I have reached the conclusion that the first line
 of each paragraph is in a different language by the
 following:
 
    First, we should be agree that if we sort the VMS
 and we analyse the percentage of the different words
 (as in the graphics of my web page) we obtain changes
 of language (peaks) in the lines which begin by
 gallows (these lines are generally the beginning of a
 paragraph). Not?
 
 
    Second, I believed that as Rene Zandbergen said:
 
 > I'd like to stress again that the feature observed
 > by Jose Rodriguez only applies to the lines that
 > start with a gallows, not to the whole paragraph,
 > and that it is almost certainly explained by the
 > occurrence of words including f- and p- gallows
 > on these lines.
 
 the peaks could be due to that the words of gallows
 were not very common and therefore these lines would
 produce a peak. So I eliminated the first word (token)
 of each line which begins by a gallow
 (http://perso.wanadoo.es/josers_1982/Voynich/VMSAOr-1.gif)
 and we continue seeing the peaks!! Later, I eliminated
 the second tokens and the peaks were still
 (http://perso.wanadoo.es/josers_1982/Voynich/VMSAOr-
 2.gif)!!
 
    In order to see if gallows modified all the
 paragraph or only the first line I looked for all line
 that began by a P-gallow, for its following line and I
 replaced the following line by first (line with the
 initial P-gallow)
 (http://perso.wanadoo.es/josers_1982/Voynich/VMSA2alineaP.gif).
 Before I eliminated the second line in the first
 ocurrence in the text, since now it was in the place
 of the P-gallow's line. (I only replace the P-gallow's
 lines, because replacing all the gallow's lines it
 involve a very hard labour, and the results would be
 similars). Now, we can see that the peaks don't
 appear! It means that the "change of language" (change
 of key or subject) only takes place in the first line
 of all paragraph which begins by a gallow!
 
    I hope that I have explained correctly.
 
 
 Regards, Jose.
 
 
 
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