Re: VMs: Re: Stars or No Stars

[Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Dana

I'm going to give this a good pondering, thank you!

Warmly,

Pam

--- Dana Scott <dscott520@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hello Pam,
> 
> I am not aware of a specific analysis focused on the
> stars in Pisces, Virgo, 
> and Scorpio having been made; however, a few basic
> observations might 
> include the following.
> 
> Instead of saying two stars for Pisces, perhaps it
> may be more appropriate 
> to say that there is one star associated with each
> "fish" connected by its 
> own thread. Notice that the line starting in front
> of the mouth of the upper 
> fish and curving down under the lower fish is
> separate from the fish, stars, 
> and thread. Having its own color, it appears to have
> been added after the 
> fact by an unknown confederate? There is a lone
> bearded dude in the outer 
> circle of tubs at about 4 o'clock. The majority of
> the stars seem to be 
> directly anchored at the tubs. Hands of the nymphs
> in the upright outer tubs 
> are tucked away at their sides within the tubs. The
> folded designs under the 
> tubs lying on their side in the inner circle may be
> some form of encryption? 
> Two of the tubs in the inner circle at 10 and 11
> o'clock are reclining and 
> opposed which is similar to the positions of the
> Pisces.
> 
> In Virgo all of the nymphs are naked, standing,
> facing left, stepping 
> forward, with most of them holding a star in their
> left hand. Virgo, on the 
> other hand, is dressed up to the gills, seated,
> facing in the opposite 
> direction, with a diminutive star attached to a
> thread, held in her right 
> hand. There is also a counter balancing flower at
> her feet. Virgo, 
> therefore, is depicted in stark contrast to her
> maidens. Why might that be? 
> Notice that only a few of the stars around 1 o'clock
> have threads extending 
> from a lower point of the star. Most of the nymphs
> have breasts, though not 
> all. Three of the nymphs around 10/11 o'clock have
> their hands clasped in 
> front of them. The inner circle nymph just after 12
> o'clock high seems to 
> have her hands clasped behind her. We can see the
> feet of 2 of the nymphs at 
> 1 and 2 in the inner circle as well as at 9 and 10.
> The well/pipe/tub in 
> which one of the nymphs is standing seems to be
> partly broken.
> 
> Notice that Scorpio also appears to be facing in an
> opposite direction from 
> the nymphs with its right front leg lifted, whereas
> the nymphs have their 
> left leg up. Right arms in the outer circle are
> extended down and back off 
> the hip between 4 and 9. Only a few of the stars
> have threads. There are 
> four nymphs standing above the outer circle with the
> two nymphs on the right 
> having full length tresses. All (including Scorpio?)
> have breasts.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Dana Scott
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pamela Richards" <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:38 AM
> Subject: VMs: Stars or No Stars
> 
> 
> > Hi, Dana
> >
> > Here's another question:  perhaps this has been
> > discussed already, but I have not found it in the
> > archives yet.
> >
> > Some of the "Zodiac" drawings have stars in them;
> some
> > have none.  Out of ten possible "signs", 3 "signs"
> > contain stars within the illustration.  Has anyone
> > proposed an explanation of this?
> >
> > The illustrations with stars are:
> >
> > Pisces, two stars
> > Virgo, one star
> > Scorpio, one star
> >
> > Please let me know if I've missed any.
> >
> > What has the thinking of the list been on this
> point?
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Pam
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Dana
> > >
> > > For the record, I agree with you that the f73r
> > > illustration resembles a mammal much more than
> an
> > > arachnid or a six-legged reptile.
> > >
> > > When the author is using the illustrations of a
> > > hired
> > > artist, I believe some latitude for "bad
> scorpions"
> > > can be extended.  Perhaps the artist did not
> have
> > > references on hand which the astrologer normally
> > > would.  If the VMs author practices Western
> > > astrology,
> > > it seems reasonable to me that he would have
> been
> > > exposed to more than one conventional
> illustration
> > > of
> > > a scorpion by the time he wrote this document. 
> From
> > > my point of view, I can't imagine why he would
> > > choose
> > > to wander away and set up to illustrate and
> inscribe
> > > his document far from his source documents on
> > > astrology.
> > >
> > > That throws us back to provenance: the question
> of
> > > whether the document is Western, or other.  So
> many
> > > of
> > > the images have a Western orientation: the
> fashions,
> > > the buildings, the hairstyles, etc.  I opt for a
> > > Western author, one who is very interested in
> > > astrology (note the consistent theme of stars),
> and
> > > one who for whatever reason, intentionally
> proposed
> > > a
> > > very peculiar Zodiac, or its percieved
> equivalent.
> > >
> > > But, that's just one hypothesis among many.
> > >
> > > Warmly,
> > >
> > > Pam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Dana Scott <dscott520@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am beginning to wonder if what we are seeing
> in
> > > > f73r might be the author's
> > > > rendition of Lupus, for unknown personal
> > > > astrological reasons?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://images.astronet.ru/pubd/2003/05/08/0001190093/constell/lup_600.jpg
> > > >
> > > > http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky/lup/lupp.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Dana Scott
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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