Re: Re: Fw: Re: VMs: Medieval Cryptography Info

["jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello  Rene and John,

right, it could not have been Rudolph  II. That makes much more sense and puts the whole 
thing  in completely new perspective. Comparing of two handwritings for same author is much 
more accurate than dating of an unknown handwriting - the former evaluation is even recognized 
in courts today. Since  we can guess only remotely the age of the VM script,  we however know 
with high probability that the "comment" could not have been done before  the VM was written 
 (actually it could and be added  later before the book was bound together, but that is highly 
unlikely :-). And it was not done by the author -  the comment is written in different hand and 
script than the VM. For logical support: the author would have no reason to write the key there himself and  it would defeat the purpose of using the unknown script in the first place. 

I guess it is time now to reevaluate the opinion that "the age of the manuscript cannot be 
established by carbon dating" or by any other technological method  - it should have been tried 
anyway. The reason that particular period of time had some  irregularities (of carbon isotope 
content in the atmosphere or the speed  of decay, I do not remember exactly) may be true, but we still should be able to create the non-linear graph from dated samples,  do approximations and establish the  probability of the result.  Also, I guess our instruments are now more accurate
 than before, that is they can probably measure to more decimal places - but   that was never 
quoted as an objection :-).

True, it may only tell us the age of the vellum - and there are signs that some text may have been 
written on even older or reused vellum (if that is possible), but we should not speculate on  test 
which was never done. If - on the other way - we can compare the content of carbon isotope 
from different, accurately dated vellums, we should be able to establish the age of the VM 
vellum with some accuracy. Sure, we do not know what we find and then again -  the VM 
could not be older than the age of vellum it is written on. To be safe, more sheets of vellum 
should be tested to establish if in fact different age vellums were used.

We should not leave this stone unturned. That of course may not be of interest of some parties,
 but tested  it should be. Frankly speaking, we may even have more  problems afterwards  - as it 
is almost always when we  discover something about the VM - but does not it make it even more interesting?  

jan
  
  
=======  You wrote:  
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>--- jan <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> I did not question the  resemblance of those two
>> hands, I am not qualified  to do 
>> that. Still, it  would be the first real proof  that
>>  Rudolph ever saw the VM :-), 
>
>I suspect that there may be a little misunderstanding.
>The emperor who wrote the marginalia in the
>code book was not Rudolf II, but
>Friedrich III (1415-1493) (Roman-German king and 
>emperor).
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>
>http://www.geschichte.uni-muenchen.de/ghw/geheimschriften/g6.shtml
>
>Cheers, Rene
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=======  You wrote:  
>
>--- jan <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I did not question the  resemblance of those two
>> hands, I am not qualified  to do 
>> that. Still, it  would be the first real proof  that
>>  Rudolph ever saw the VM :-), 
>
>I suspect that there may be a little misunderstanding.
>The emperor who wrote the marginalia in the
>code book was not Rudolf II, but
>Friedrich III (1415-1493) (Roman-German king and 
>emperor).
>
>
>http://www.geschichte.uni-muenchen.de/ghw/geheimschriften/g6.shtml
>
>Cheers, Rene
>
>
>
>	
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