Re: VMs: Medieval Cryptography Info (Lull)

[Eric <mynumberis2000@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- Dennis <tsalagi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

>     What is his ladder?  I'm trying to recover my
> old hard disk at the
> moment, and the info would be on there.  I'll
> certainly pass it on if I
> find it. We could always ask Robert again.  I
> haven't seen him here in a
> while.

I'll just qoute The Art of Memory by Yates pg 179
since that is where all of my info comes from...

"The Art works on every level of creation, from God,
to the angels, the stars, man, animals, plants, and so
on - the ladder of being as envisaged in the Middle
Ages - by abstracting the essential bonitas,
magnitudo, and so on, on each level. The meanings of
the letter notation change in accordance with the
level on which the Art is being used. Let us follow
how this works out in the case of B for Bonitas as it
moves down the ladder of creation, or through the nine
'subjects' listed in the nine-form of the Art as those
with which the Art will deal.

On the level
* Deus - B = Bonitas as a Dignitas Dei
* Angelus - B = the bonitas of an angel
* Coelum - B = the bonitas of Aries and the rest of
the 12 signs of the zodiac, and of Saturn and the rest
of the 7 planets
* Homo - B = bonitas in man
* Imaginativa - B = bonitas in the imagination
* Sensitiva - B = bonitas in the animal creation, as
the bonitas in a lion
* Vegetiva - B = bonitas in the vegetable creation, as
the bonitas in the pepper plant
* Elementativa - B = bonitas in the four elements, as
the bonitas in fire
* Instrumentativa - B = bonitas in the virtues and in
the arts and sciences"

In the above, "The meanings of the letter notation" is
refering to the BCDEFGHIK letters around his famous
wheels.

>     I've thought about the same thing!  I think it's
> a good idea.  The
> Llull wheel is a combinatorial system, after all,
> and it could be used i
> n an a priori artificial language.  The letter
> combination could be the
> markers on the wheel.

Exactly. My biggest challenge in trying out the theory
is getting a better understanding of the Art. How
could you actually use it to construct a dissertation
on, say, plants and their usage, astronomy, etc. Can
one even?

One could think that the author would encrypt (maybe,
hopefully, with simple substitution) the BCDEFGHIK
combinations of this dissertation so that it is not
clearly Lullist to the reader (I'm believing that a
learned Middle Ages reader would recognize ABC CDE CEG
BD etc. combinations written out as being Lullist).

:Eric



		
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