Re: VMs: Pleiades Occultation Further Date Refinement

[Dennis <tsalagi@xxxxxxxx>]

jan wrote:
> "The term 'art' is here employed in its most inclusive sense with no implication of aesthetic 
> evaluation. It is not intended to imply by the concept of Migraine Art that there is an art of 
> migraineurs which is characterized by a unique nature of artistic creation determined by the 
> causative effects of the migraine condition, because it is assumed that, in this sense, an art of 
> migraineurs does not exist, confirming a conclusion of the painter Jean Dubuffet who stated, 
> for different clinical fields, that "there is no art of the insane any more than the art of the 
> dyspeptics or an art of people with knee complaints".

	I had already concluded the same thing when thinking about 
"outsider art" by schizophrenics.  What they see and 
experience is raw material for the creative process, but the 
creative process for schizophrenics is no different than for 
anyone else.  It's just that they have experience that no 
one else has.  The same goes for migraineurs.

> So the term "migraine art" was more or less invented  "to illustrate the pain, the visual 
> disturbances and the effect migraine had on their lives." This is of course different story - 
> apparently we do  not get here  the true  "migraine visions", but artistic rendering. 

	Yes.

> However, if you look at that picture, you see mostly stars as round circles, and if you would 
> not see them on the sky, you could probably never guess those are stars :-). 

	My own experience of phosphenes has been to see bright, 
distinct points of light, without any haloes.   It isn't 
clear to me whether Pamela described phosphenes.  Too,  not 
all migraineurs see phosphenes ('stars').   I am not a real 
migraineur, either.  :-)

	I hadn't heard that van Gogh might have been a migraineur. 
 It sounds like there have been different diagnoses for 
him.  I had heard lead poisoning, from his paint.

	The stars are just one thing, and by themselves they 
certainly aren't enough.  We will have to consider many 
different images in the VMs to decide whether the VMs author 
was a migraineur.  If (s)he was a migraineur, I'm not sure 
what it would tell us, but we are so lacking in facts that 
anything at all definite is welcome!

Dennis
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