Re: Re: VMs: Pleiades Occultation Further Date Refinement

["jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Dennis,  

I abslolutely agree - we can see that the author had rich and sometimes alsmost weird 
inspiration. There could be a whole spectrum of possibilites, and many of those pictures may be explained
by this. The souces of his inspiration are  certianly valuable for understanding the purpose of the whole work.

I brought the example of Gogh because it does have something in  it. Another approach woudl be to look into different patterns as they appear in the VM. Very  interesting.

Jan
  
  
=======  You wrote:  
>jan wrote:
>> 
>> "The term 'art' is here employed in its most inclusive sense with no implication of aesthetic 
>> evaluation. It is not intended to imply by the concept of Migraine Art that there is an art of 
>> migraineurs which is characterized by a unique nature of artistic creation determined by the 
>> causative effects of the migraine condition, because it is assumed that, in this sense, an art of 
>> migraineurs does not exist, confirming a conclusion of the painter Jean Dubuffet who stated, 
>> for different clinical fields, that "there is no art of the insane any more than the art of the 
>> dyspeptics or an art of people with knee complaints".
>
>	I had already concluded the same thing when thinking about 
>"outsider art" by schizophrenics.  What they see and 
>experience is raw material for the creative process, but the 
>creative process for schizophrenics is no different than for 
>anyone else.  It's just that they have experience that no 
>one else has.  The same goes for migraineurs.
>
>> So the term "migraine art" was more or less invented  "to illustrate the pain, the visual 
>> disturbances and the effect migraine had on their lives." This is of course different story - 
>> apparently we do  not get here  the true  "migraine visions", but artistic rendering. 
>
>	Yes.
>
>> However, if you look at that picture, you see mostly stars as round circles, and if you would 
>> not see them on the sky, you could probably never guess those are stars :-). 
>
>	My own experience of phosphenes has been to see bright, 
>distinct points of light, without any haloes.   It isn't 
>clear to me whether Pamela described phosphenes.  Too,  not 
>all migraineurs see phosphenes ('stars').   I am not a real 
>migraineur, either.  :-)
>
>	I hadn't heard that van Gogh might have been a migraineur. 
>  It sounds like there have been different diagnoses for 
>him.  I had heard lead poisoning, from his paint.
>
>	The stars are just one thing, and by themselves they 
>certainly aren't enough.  We will have to consider many 
>different images in the VMs to decide whether the VMs author 
>was a migraineur.  If (s)he was a migraineur, I'm not sure 
>what it would tell us, but we are so lacking in facts that 
>anything at all definite is welcome!
>
>Dennis
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