Re: VMs: Phonetic VMS?

["john stojko" <oko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, for example let me take 1st sentence from WIKI and transcribe to Latin
alphabet.
1. Що Око робе заре косе?     (Encoding, Cyrillic (Windows))
    in latin.alphabet.
1. Shcho Oko robe kose?
   I translated to English,
1. What slanted Oko is doing now?

    The meaning of Ukrainian words you can find in
     Ukrainian-English Dictionary.
The same is true for whole VMS.

    John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Koontz John E" <John.Koontz@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: VMs: Phonetic VMS?


> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005, mjmurphy wrote:
> > Has any one attempted to assign a phonetics to the written VMS symbols?
>
> This is a somewhat puzzling question.  Do you mean just a way to read it
> off, e.g., to refer to the tokens in oral discussion?  I certainly
> occasionally pronounce the EVA transcriptions more or less as they look,
> with some fuzziness about the vowels.  One could also read the Voynich
> Manuscript text directly using the same principles.  Read the thing
> transcribed q as "k" and so on.  This might be useful in the absence of a
> decryption for the VMs, but not if there were one.  In that case one would
> naturally read based on the decrytion.
>
> For example we could assign arbitrary but consistent sound values to the
> Latin letters of an English text and then read them off in lieu of reading
> the actual English text - prononcing the word "useful" as oo-say-fool For
> purposes of this example I assume that, though we are ignorant of the
> Latin alphabet we have coincidentally assigned more or less standard
> values to its characters.  However, if we could read English, it would be
> more useful to use the conventional pronunciation for English, wouldn't
> it?  One would only come up with oo-say-fool if one was trying to describe
> the spelling to a speaker of another language without reverting to listing
> the names of the letters.
>
> Apart from arbitrary prononunciations of the EVA (or other)
> transcriptions, and assuming that the VMs does encrypt a message, which is
> certainly the most interesting basis on which to proceed, I would assume
> that what the text properly sounds like is someone reading the equivalent
> deciphered text.  On those terms, until the text is deciphered it has no
> more sound than, say, the Phaistos Disk.
>
> I guess Jacques' work with the Easter Island Rongo-Rongo materials
> provides a good parallel.  There is a way to read these by pronouncing
> aloud names for the little figures in Rapanuian, but without decypherment
> there is no way to read the message, though one assumes it would also be
> something in Rapanuian, but more coherent.
>
> > .. are there any theories as to what it might sound like if read aloud?
>
> My best guess would be that if deciphered it would sound like some
> European written language from the 1400s to early 1600s, probably Latin as
> pronounced in some corner of Europe in that period.
>
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