Re: VMs: evidence against line transposition

[Wayne Durden <wdurden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

on 3/31/05 4:36 PM, Nick Pelling at nickpelling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> 
> It would be helpful for many on-list (myself included) if you described the
> location (and nature) of the similarity you're seeing even more closely.
> There are so many cloud bunnies to choose from... :-o
> 
> Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....

Okay, Nick, let me do a little quick and dirty demonstration of the bunnies
I am chasing...

I suspect that no amount of verbal description alone is going to be
sufficient, so I have cut the ending sections of those two folios into an
image processing program and used a pencil tool in various colors and
underlined sections in the same color that may be related or similar.  I
have posted this to the web where you can review at a link below.

http://www.hotbreakingnews.com/images/consolidated.jpg

Before viewing, please note that I am NOT saying these two folios are saying
the same thing or are identical.  I certainly wouldn't expect them to be.  I
think they might be saying the same kind of thing.  I.e. in a guidebook each
folio may have a similar format with same type of thing.  I also don't
believe my color lines capture all of the similarities, but they should
provide enough for you to form an opinion.  In arriving at this, please note
that forms may be varied by the scribe, tense endings, plurality endings,
etc.  Additionally, if this is a philosophical classification scheme
language such that a noun may have a color ending suffix, etc. the words
would not be identical, but might have root forms.  Keep in mind, I think
the scribe didn't speak the language and letters like "San cc attea" might
run together on occasion like "san ccattea", etc.

That said, take a look at the colored sections at the link below.  Note
also, the relative order of the colored sections in the two sections being
roughly the same.  This is one of a handful of examples I am focusing on.
Examples like this make it unlikely to me that these syllables were chosen
randomly on a grille.  Even if the syllables were random, in this particular
case, the order is EXTREMELY unlikely by chance to me.  When choosing random
sections of the text without regard to folio type or position I can't
identify similarities where I perceive this degree of similarity and order,
but certain positions on certain kinds of folios do demonstrate these.



I sincerely don't want to increase the noise level on this list, if a
substantial proportion think these suggestons are pure garbage,  I will be
happy trying to find a smaller like minded group if one or two feel there
may be similarities and want to try and attack the problem backward chaining
as to what kind of things might be communicated in such sections.  I believe
in open discussion and sharing but I would like also like to try and
genuinely trim down some of the probability trees in an organized fashion
and would be happy moving on elsewhere if you guys would prefer.  In other
words, even if it can't be deciphered one might be able to demonstrate it
can't be randomly generated or use a line transposition across folios
scheme.  It might be a useful excercise for us to build a probability tree
as a group and eliminate even a few branches.  If feels like the majority
here are interested in approaching it from primarily a crypto standpoint and
I don't want to pollute the list or be a distraction if that is the focus of
hands here.  A show of hands on whether the similarities in the graphic
linked to are bunnies would not be offensive, and in fact would be
welcomed...

Cheers, WLD

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