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usage of VMS map f85/86

Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 11:28 am
by Stefan Wirtz
Some here may know this explanation & video from another forum, so just the links, english version is not more than 19minutes long:
(fun fact: you can see the localisation and explanation of VMS map with aerial images and other only by watching a linked video, not here in this posting)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaOpdHT6qp4

russian version is quite longer due to language reasons, but with same content:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGRNCCjEps0 (also google-translated, native speakers may excuse it)

german version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAsCZaIvrbE (die Ausgangsversion, ebenfalls länger, allerdings fehlen hier noch die 3D-Visualisierungen der Zelte, ca. Minute 10:00 in der englischen Ausgabe, bitte dort kurz reinschauen. Man lernt eben ständig dazu...)


Additional detail:
for those who are doubting the appearance of "huge tents" in a map, here is an example of exactly the timeframe ~1440s-1460s extracted from a map of known Petrus Roselli (complete here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... _Noire.jpg)

Mind the dimensions, colouring, construction details and different perspectives of the tents north of Crimean peninsula and anatolya:

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Re: usage of VMS map f85/86

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 3:50 pm
by Stefan Wirtz
Some add-ons which could not make it into the video(s):

Sticking to representational and objective explanations, I could not help to explain the "barrels" of two map roundels as a kind of bundled cannons;
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But with some investigation I found this an (for us) unusual, but existing kind of picturing cannons:
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Especially the guns of second image look familiar; all pictures are taken from Ivan IV.s ("the terrible") chronicles which were produced in Russia nearly a hundred years later than VMS.
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Next shows that there was indeed a kind of "bundling" of cannons (from Ms. Thott 290.2, ~1458AD) and some relaxed handling with a single gun in Bern Cod. 45, late 16th century.
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So there is a good chance that these strange barrels of VMS map shall represent several (defensive) cannons at center and one corner roundel, which may make them appear as fortified places. Drafted in way that appears to us today, again, very strange, but obviously was state-of-the-art at several places in Europe even a century later.

Re: usage of VMS map f85/86

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:43 pm
by Stefan Wirtz
Funny enough, this forum seems only to allow 3 images of very low size as attachments, so I have to continue here with an extra comment.
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It is quite hard to do research about Crimea and Mangup/Theodoro - these once important places are almost forgotten and sparsely documented.
My main sources are Youtube holiday videos of russian tourists there; among another historical visualization I found the following:
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Though to be consumed very carefully, this image is rather reminding of VMS Mangup's northwest exit to the narrow valley which can be seen in my basic video (an artificial lake is located there).
The location of this main gate wall is a bit undecided in modern maps and animations, VMS may be more exact regarding that matter.
This can not be determined and decided without exact geological data for those detail areas or at least a trustworthy historical local map.
Unfortunately the actual political situation is the worst moment to find and contact any local experts for Crimean and Mangup history.

Next one is a lithography from Friedrich Gross (unlike this name an Ukrainian) made in 1846 or 1857. Though that period brought up some very romanticizing imagery, it carries at least the information of as well round and square-based towers in chain with Mangup's fortress walls. Parts of these walls were rebuild at 1503 by Ottoman conquerors, but this picture is a bit reminding of the VMS' maps "style mix" at some turrets.
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