Re: Cree Syllabary (was Re: D! IV)

[Big Jim <bigjim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 08:49 AM 2/22/01 -0800, Dan Moonhawk Alford wrote:
> >> Any resemblance to Cree syllabic characters?
> >>
> > I have never ventured there. But I have always been curious whether or not
> > there was a connection. Language would be the place to look. I would 
> love to
> > go through it with you.
> >
> Watch out, Big Jim -- curiosity only kills the cat, mercifully, but can make
> humans into pariahs when it starts leading to possible answers. ;-)



That's why I have spent most of my time alone doing what I do. It's not 
that I don't like sharing what I see, it's just people don't see what I see 
and it causes problems. This group is the most interaction I have had and 
of course there are problems. But I guess I need to deal with it. I have to 
learn to explain myself more.


> Any
> connection in pre-history between Turtle Island (N. America) and the Middle
> East is, on the face of it, preposterous. And yet there's that pesky
> molecular analysis of Egyptian mummies' hair showing traces of THC, tobacco,
> and cocaine.


There is also some info concerning Egyptian contact in Australia;
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~classblu/egypt/glyphpic.htm
If it is true remains to be seen...

and the Grand Canyon. Six part story here;
http://www.sightings.com/general6/egy.htm
I havent gone through it, its on my list of things to do one of these days 
hehe.






>  I guess nobody really knows nuthin' about pre-history, yet
> everyone knows when something doesn't fit their notion of pre-history. Hmmm
> -- and where does that notion come from? The culture of Western Civ. I
> believe language IS the place to look.


Well it has always been my belief that the overview is the most important 
thing to spent time finding. Once the furthest point back in time is 
established, details make more sense. We see what things have BECOME as 
they change. One can argue Osiris until they are blue in the face, but 
Osiris was NOT part of the original story. Osiris and Isis were latter 
additions. Then the question becomes why? Who tampered with history?




> BTW -- the Meru Foundation <www.meru.org>, I believe, is firmly behind the
> notion that Hebrew letters are visually encoded hand shapes -- sign
> language.


I remember seeing that a while back. Although they have no seeming bearing 
on the more ancient signs. Of course I could be wrong...I wasnt looking for 
a connection then.



> >> When once I was shown a chart with the Blackfoot Syllabarium which Cree
> >> derives from, along with characters labeled ancient Arabic, ancient 
> Sanskrit
> >> and Cypriote script, I remember noting that some seemed mirrored and/or
> >> flipped, but fairly clearly related.
> >>
> > I would love to see your sign representations.
> >
> Yes -- and so would I! I've been trying for years to get the Blackfoot
> researcher to let me see it again. I'm now in email contact with him and
> seeing him again once every few years, so I hope he'll share soon.


That would be very interesting....

(SNIP)

>>
> >
> > I would love an active example of this....From what I have seen, picture
> > representations are solidly traceable to the 8th millennia bc. Catal Huyuk
> > shrines in the 7th millennia etc. There also existed many undefined signs
> > which just may be those of which you speak.  They come in if I remember 
> right
> > about 15,000ish /17,000 bc
> >
> ???? that early?


According to the archeological info Gimbutas gives in her "Language of the 
Goddess" she gives dates that far back. Most of the other representations 
are 5000-2000ish bc. or there abouts if I remember right. I'd have to look.
Native American's did a fairly good job preserving their history. If they 
remembered the last destruction why not other things from that period. And 
language is used everyday.


> > and are more like directional signs...V's..also signs that depict movement
> > proper and are better termed as flowing energy depictions...flowing 
> outwards,
> > inwards and just "flowing within". I am not 100% sure if this is the 
> kind of
> > symbolism you are referring to, but it never seemed to fit what came later.
> >
> OH ... MY ... GOD !!!  That is EXACTLY the way a Blackfoot woman described
> what we call (1st, 2nd, 3rd) *person* -- or pronouns -- in Algonkian
> languages: "there's no ME -- there's stuff coming toward (me) and going away
> from (me), but no *me*." What we call their pronoun affixes are really
> energy directional vectors -- like the difference in "John is easy/eager to
> please," with different vectors.

Phew...that's some concept. As indications show your system is older than 
mine it should be interesting finding out the details of what happened. 
Between your system and the development of mine there was a world wide 
catastrophe  starting around 14,000 bc and moving onward to a new 
beginning. Indications are the two systems seemed to have coexisted for 
quite some time.



> >
> >> I am coming to believe this is an accurate rendering of the pre-history of
> >> syllabic writing.
> >>
> >> Oh, and I also believe this Algonkian Ur-Syllabary was also 
> responsible for
> >> the early Cherokee syllabary and thus the Anthon characters behind the 
> Mormon golden tablets; my Blackfoot colleague also believes this from separate
> >> evidence.
> >>
> >
> > Well treat me as a beginner in this and let me have some word 
> examples.  Maybe
> > a breakdown letter by letter of your "alphabet" would be a good place to
> > start. What effect each "letter" has on the developing idea as it becomes a
> > word. You have me curious.
> >
> Wish I could. I've got someone checking some things for me. Maybe we can
> recreate what I saw.


Hope so :-)

Regards,
Jim



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