Re: Sukhotin's Algorithm

[Mark Perakh <perakh@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Rene, you see you have inserted an e between c and t in ctvtr, as I suggested must be the case,
while r remained in your rendering intact and hence is a consonant. Mark

Rene Zandbergen wrote:

> Mark Perakh wrote:
>
> > If r serves as a vowel, which vowel does it represent? I believe there is always some real
> > vowel implied which is pronounced very shortly and which may vary depending on the word while
> > r itself has no definite vowel value.
>
> Someone (not a linguist) once told me (not a linguist either) that
> before (ape-)man could speak properly, the rolling 'r' was the first
> vowel-like sound he could make. Ape-man words quoted were 'BRT'
> (not sure if it meant brother or friend) and 'GRT' (city).
>
> A famous piece of music is (in Czech): 'Petr a Vlk'. Russian has
> 'volk'. The 'r' and 'l' really are vowels.
> Other words do allow introduction of extra vowels.
> Seven and eight are 'sedm' and 'osm' in Czech. These are
> pronounced 'sedum' and 'osum'.
>
> I will probably avoid going to Prague in summer, just so that
> I won't be faced with the problem of having to ask for a
> zmrzlina (ice cream).
>
> > How would you transliterate ctvrt using English
> > equivalents? If r were just a plain vowel, you would have to choose between a, e, i, u and o,
> > replacing r in pronounciation. Is it ctvet, ctvit, ctvot or ctvut?
>
> Closest would be cetvrt.
>
> > Czech experts, tell me please how it is pronounced.
>
> Or correct me wherever I'm wrong.
>
> Cheers, Rene