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Re: inercultural artefact
> [Rafal:] An off-topic question: do you know if Balbin mentioned
> Sendivogius at all?
No, sorry I don't; what I know of such mattrers is through other people's reports,
> Browsing through my copy of Diringer's _Alphabet_ (Polish 1972 edition),
> I noted a number of languages/scripts which I find suspect
Thanks for the list! I knew about some of those scripts, but some are new to me.
> 1. Syriac languages in Asia:
> a. Nestorians.
Yes, the Nestorians in China are possible link.
But I believe they used a Syriac script.
> b. Assirians or Chaldeans - in Kurdistan and Iraq.
> c. Jacobites and Melchites - in Near East and Egypt.
> 2. Mandeans - in Mesopotamia ... the alphabet is quite
> different from other aramaic scripts and is considered
> to be sacred
These are new to me!
Mandean is different yes, but not too much.
(EVA "o" and "a" are the only matches I can see to Voynichese.)
(BTW this site is a must for exotic scripts!)
> 3. Manicheans - .. the origin on manichean script is uncertain ...
Here are two images of Manichean:
Looking up Manichean I stumbled upon Bactrian -- an Iranian
language with a unique script derived from the Greek alphabet, which
apparently became extinct in 800 CE and was redicovered only in the
last few decades:
> 4. Yezidis - ... they have
> a cryptographic writing used only for one of the scriptures
> (published in Anthropos VI, 1911). Some think it is a 19th c.
The alphabet is indeed strange.
and the "cryptography" seems to be just a
sort of Caesar cipher built into the alphabet.
» Père Anastase visited the Sinjar in 1904 and bargained with
» the current "librarian" to pay so much per page for a traced
» copy of the Jelwa and a lump sum for the whole of the
» Meshaf Resh, which was written on a parchment scroll. The
» script used in the texts turned out to be a coded transposition
» of the Persian-Arabic alphabet(21) which was used to
» transcribe in Kurdish a text translated from an Arabic
» original. The translation of this text appeared in German in
» 1913. Typical of the problems of authenticity involved, it was
» contested by an ambitious scholar, a former Chaldean, who
» was later determined to have forged documents he himself
» claimed to have discovered, having baked the pages in an
» Were the texts forgeries, created to satisfy the emergence of a
» consumer market for such books? Most likely not. ...
» The Jelwa
» "I was, am present now, and shall have no end. I exercise
» dominion over all creatures and manage the affairs of all who
» are under my possession,"(23) begins the Kitab el-Jelwa (The
» Book of Revelation, The Book ofine being, reveals his role not
» only as ruler over all creatures in the world, "the beasts of
» the earth, the birds of heaven, and the fish of the sea are
» all under the control of my hands," but also over other divine
» beings. ...
> 5. Kok turk runes - used for Old Turkish (38 characters)
I presume these as the same as the "Gokturk runes", which look like
Norse runes. (In fact there is a page out there claiming that the
oldest Norse runic inscriptions, still undeciphered, can be read in
old Turkish. "Ego judicium meum hic suspendo...")
> 6. Old Hungarian or Seklerian - in Transylvania, used by Seklers,
> an ethnic group known as "border guards"; oldest
> documents known from 1501; some think it was
I have seen the "old hungarian runes" (which look like Norse and Turkic
runes); but I suppose that Skelerian is something else, right?
> 7. Uygurs - nestorians, and finally moslems; in the 13th c.
> their alphabet was used as the official script of
> the Chenghis Khan's empire.
I may have seen this one, I am not sure...
> 8. Mongolian - in 1310 it was used for mongolian translations
> of buddhist scriptures and became the basis of
> later Mongolian.
I saw this one, it didn't ring a bell...
All the best,