Hello Philip, While viewing the links you provided, I was very pleased to come across the following Erbario di Urbino : Notice how there is a relationship (faces) made between the leaves and the roots. The VMs may attempt to relate round/global features of the plant in the root systems to the moon, earth, and creatures that roam the earth, while the leaves and flowers appear, at times, to be concerned more with the sun and stars. This herbal is one of the best/closest matches that I have seen to the VMS. Perhaps it has been discussed previously. Here is an index to additional entries from the herbal: You may also select the alphabetical listing at the bottom of the index page for more examples. Regards, Dana Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Neal Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:37 AM To: voynich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: VMs: Alchemical herbals I was at the Wellcome Library again on Saturday and I found that they have modern editions of some of the alchemical herbals. This tradition of herbals has been discussed previously on the list because of their bizarre looking illustrations which look vaguely like the herbal section of the Voynich MS. A book published in 2000, Il giardino magico degli alchimisti by Vera Segre Rutz, establishes new information about them which I have summarised on a page
http://mysite.freeserve.com/philipneal_vms/alchemical.html
added to my web site
http://mysite.freeserve.com/philipneal_vms/index.html
The main points are:
1. The alchemical herbals are a tradition deriving from a single original manuscript probably composed in 14th century Italy.
2. A 'direct tradition' of seven manuscripts are essentially copies of the original. An 'indirect tradition' of seventeen other manuscripts reworks material from the original.
3. The direct tradition is characterised by a list of 98 herbs with unfamiliar names given in a fixed order.
4. Some of the herbs are thought to have held a particular interest for alchemists, hence the name.
5. Some manuscripts in the 'indirect tradition' contain material about gynaecology and conception. I have not seen illustrations of this.
Segre Rutz claims to have identified all or most of the plants illustrated in the manuscripts of the direct tradition. Their odd sounding names are derived from Italian dialect. If I have understood Segre Rutz correctly (her editorial material is in Italian), she thinks that the illustrations look bizarre because they represent dried and flattened specimens of plants as they would be offered for sale in a market.
Some of the manuscripts in the indirect tradition are held by the Wellcome Library itself. I didn't have the nerve to ask to see them, and time was short anyway. However, the Wellcome is, among other things, an educational charity, and I think if a group of interested people requested in advance to see them, the Wellcome would probably oblige. Something for a list meeting in London to do? The Wellcome Library is also within walking distance of John Dee's magic mirror at the British Museum.
Philip Neal
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