Re: VMs: Re: over troubled water...

["DANA SCOTT" <dscott520@xxxxxxx>]

Great! I'm glad that that is settled. It seems so confusing. No wonder
peoples' loyalty strings were stretched to the limit. I see that there was a
solid Catholic presence there and that the Jewish faith was also
established. Any further investigation into W.M.Voynich's youth would
probably best be served by investigations in Telsze. It is a bit beyond my
reach from here and I would be lost not being able to speak the local
dialects. Spanish I can handle, which I see Wilfrid listed as a language
that he spoke in one of the immigration logs. It seems to me that Wilfrid's
command of languages and his interests in ancient manuscripts found all over
Europe probably served him well in his political endeavors.

Regards,
Dana Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rafal T. Prinke" <rafalp@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: VMs: Re: over troubled water...


>
> Hi Dana,
>
> > From these immigration records we now know that
> > Wilrid M. Voynich was born in Telski which he
> > listed as being in Poland and is now in Lithuania
> > (unless I am referring to the wrong city?).
>
> Yes, that is the place. It was in the Coomonwealth
> of Poland and Lithuania until 1795 - and then until
> 1918 in Russia. See for example this (not very readable)
> map:
>
>    http://home.adelphia.net/~rschechter/map03.htm
>
> Because Lithuanian nobility/gentry had mostly been
> polonized and it was one state, it was customary
> to refer to the whole as Poland. On the other hand,
> the great Polish romantic epic (recently made into
> a movie by Andrzej Wajda) starts "O Lithuania, my
> mother country".
>
> For Poles, whether ruled by Russia, Prussia or Austria,
> the country existed "vitually" throughout the 19th c.
> and on the same area.
>
> > Telshi Map: (19th century?)
> > http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/images/russia.jpg
>
> Yes - or at least pre-1914. Here "Poland" is just
> an administrative division of Russia - without
> the Prussian and Austrian parts shown.
>
> Anyway, Voynich was born in Telsze (the Polish name
> of the town) and not in Kowno/Kaunas (as stated in the Fremantle
> article).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rafal
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