VMs: Wales v. Brescia

["Donald Goodell" <donald.goodell@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hola Luis:

I can't give a very long answer to your question at the moment, alas, for I
am very pressed for time, but perhaps I can go into more detail for you when
I am at more leisure this weekend.  In the meantime, I will have to rely on
my memory a little here....

First I would have to draw your attention to the "architecture" of some of
the 15th century style Italian turrets and the various rounded
castles/tower-like structures that are drawn in the VMS which are remarkably
similar to those found at Brescia Castle (and one could add, similar also to
those found  in 15th century Northern Italy generally e.g. Venice, Milan and
Florence) in overall style and "feel", but more of this in a later
posting.....

Also, have a close look, if you can,  at the MS Vaticanus Gr 1291 (written
around 820 AD) which was physically on loan (to the Ursini brothers, I
think) in Brescia between 1450 and 1490, and contains several coloured
illustrations of human  female figures (i.e. in the cicular Zodiac
surrounded  by "nymphettes")   which seems to have been the "artistic model"
for some of the less professional (some would say amateurish) artwork
illustrations and drawings found heavilly represented in the Astrological
and Balneological sections of the VMS.

I seem to remember the socalled  Saggittarian "long bow archer" in the
Astrological section of the VMS  wearing a Brescian (or at any rate, a
Northern Italian, even Florentine) Capello, (or"hat"), and most of the
"nymphettes" in the Balnelogical section seem to be wearing hair styles
remeniscent of Northern Italy fashionable between 1440 and 1490 (see the
drawings found on VMS pages 147-166 (with pages 148/149 torn out of the
VMS).

All of this supports a northern Italian provenance for the VMS or at least a
northern Italian "model" for the "artist" who provided some of the drawings
we find in it.

I'll deal with the case for the Italian and medical Latin linguistic
arguments later also (especially the Gallows figures possibly representing
complex Italian fricatives etc) ...

But before I go, I must also mention that added to this is the undoubted
number of very popular alchemical balneological and medicinal herbals which
circulated freely in northern Italy between 1410 and 1490 which seem to fit
the temporal termina for the VMS fairly well.

Any one with time to add to this line of thinking, may feel free to do so.
I'll try to get back in a few days...

Ciao Luis

DG
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Luis Vélez" <legal1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:20 PM
Subject: VMs: 2003


> The year is proving to be very fruitful so far...
> Kudos to Robert Teague for his astronomical research is a very original
> avenue. Starry Night is a powerful clever little tool. Well done.
> As for the case of Welsh... well, I think there is still much work to do.
> What elements point to Brescia in your opinion, Donald?
>
>
> Luis
>
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