Re: VMs: Astronomical Notes, Comments, and Replies

["Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>]

I did take a look at the zodiac pages, but only at the text near the
ladies.  Assuming that they are, in fact, representative of days then
the "Teague" number  system does not correlate.  The text is simply too
long for each date.  However, I did not inspect the text in the circles
above the women (except for f71r where the ubiquitous date "1615" does
appear in the "circle text").

That does not invalidate Robert's scheme - it just means that it was not
used on those particular characters.  Perhaps there are no numbers next
to the women in the zodiac charts.  Or perhaps the numbering system is
incorrect (I doubt it!)

Perhaps a lot of this document is a horoscope for the lifetime of
someone.  That would cover the date range (birth (December 1533???) and
onwards) and thus would be more predictive than historical.  Astronomers
at the time certainly could predict the positions of the moon and
planets over a limited time frame and often produced horoscopes to make
some money.  They were also often ashamed of having to do so.....but
then, as now, there was little money to be made in Astronomy.  The real
money was in Astrology.    

In that case the zodiac "days" (women) may contain other info such as
"this is a good day"  "High energy today"  "Do not go swimming"  "Sell
all shares of Copernican Enterprises", etc.

If so, then the zodiac signs would probably all represent 1 particular
year.....while the astronomy pages would be the backing proof "In 1533
the moon and mars are in Taurus, which means that your ruling planet is
governed by the house of Atreides, and in 1552 Saturn goes into Aries,
causing a quantum feedback loop and total warp core shut down... blah
blah blah."

I don't believe in Astrology, so I am weak in that regard, but my older
sister is a former Astrology-believing-hippy-freak and I used to see
some of her charts in the late 60s so it makes sense to me somewhat.  

Someday when she is in town I'll have her sit down and take a look at
the pages and see what she thinks about the astrology aspect.





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Larry Roux
Syracuse University
lroux@xxxxxxx
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>>> rteague@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 02/08/03 11:04 AM >>>
John Grove wrote:

> "That the number/letter correspondences on f49v work for
> dates in the Astro section indicates that the Author didn't
> bother to create new characters for the numbers, just
> assigned them to letters, as shown in the alphabetic
> arrangement I posted the other day."
>
> You state this as a fact rather than as a theory here.

Perhaps I should write a bit more cautiously. Sorry if it bugs you;
it's just my writing style.

> The number/letter
> correspondences may appear to work on f49v for dates -- but that
> has not in fact been proven.

When I can find a date first, and the event diagrammed shows up in
that year and no other, it convinces me.

> It is still quite evident in my eyes that one
> can 'make' it look like a match to one of the millions of stellar
> events that have happened over time focusing in on the ones you want
it to
> match.

I don't know how well-versed you are in astronomy, but I don't want to
seem condescending, so I ask forgiveness if this is elementary to you.

One limit we can place on the events depicted is that they are
naked-eye.

Another is that they are rare. The four-planet alignment in the SE
corner
of f67v2 is unique over the 400 years I checked.

The Moon/Mars alignment on f68r1 takes place in the Taurus/Aries part
of the sky, and those two constellations are treated differently. The
Moon/Saturn alignment on f68r2, and the Moon/Pleiades/Aldebaran
alignment of f68r3 (which are the same event) also take place in
Taurus/Aries.

There's a consistancy for you.

> The time lines for your dates seem a little 'late' in my view - but
that
is only
> supposition on my part.

I've made no effort to direct the timeline--that's where the data went.

> I think you should certainly keep focusing on finding more matching
date
> information, including day, month, year.

Yes, Larry Roux and I are collaborating on that.

> How come you haven't even ventured
> into the zodiac pages yet? With 30 'days' of data for each of the
available
> zodiacs - if your numbers work - a consistent pattern should reveal a
> consistent method to read the zodiac pages...

The zodiac pages will probably be the last ones I tackle.

Robert

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