Re: VMs: Henochian Langage and the VMS

[Jacques Guy <jguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

2/19/03 7:59:13 PM, "Donald Goodell" <donald.goodell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Group:
>
>Are we speaking of the same Henochian Language oft quoted in 20th Century
>Occult Books (alla Alistair Crowley) , such as the following sampling of
>common Henochian words, or are we talking about another "articifical"
>language altogether here?

Yes. However, the Enochian has been mongrelized by those occultists,
because they could not figure out how to pronounce it, "prge" for instance.
Or because they did not think it sounded grand enough, or had the right 
number of syllables for their purposes, or perhaps just wanted to make
their own.

Here, I added to your list the actual spelling used by Dee:

>English           Henochian (Dr Dee)
>
>Man               Holorah = olora
>Mankind         Molapeh = molap
>House            Salamaneh = salman
>Moon             Gerahah = graa, giraa, geraa
>Peace             Thearzodi = etharzi
>Truth              Vaho Ahen = vaoan
>Poison            Tafah = ??? that should be faboan or faboanu
>Day                Basagiim = basgim
>First                El = el, elo, l, la, li, lo
>Mine               Ahah = ??? not in Laycock's dictionary
>Gah                Winds = spirit, spirits: gah, gahe
>Fire                Bitohem = Fire Spirit: Bitom; fire: prge, prgel, malprg, malpirgi
>Flowers          Lores Elkey = lorslq
>Not                Geh = ge, ip
>Thorns            Nannabay = thorn: nanba
>Bed                Teha Enta = tianta
>Palace             Poamal = poamal, poamalzod
>Whore            Babalo Enda = wicked: babalon [clearly: Babylon]
>Waters            Zodin = water: zodinu
>Knowledge     Iadenah = iadnah, iadnamad
>Covenant        Sibesi = sibsi
>Power             Mih = bab, lansh, lonsa, lonshi, lonshin, micalz, micalzo,
                   micaolz (these last three coined after Michael), nanaeel
>Love               Zodaraga = be friendly: zorge, zodoreje
>Olives             Quaniis = quanis
>Yes                 Noibeh = noib
>No                  Ageh = ag
>Light               Ohelparta = olpirt
>Drunk             Oresbah = orsba
>Slaves             Nokoleh  = servant, minister: noqod, noqodi, noquol, noco
>etc. etc.
>
>Maybe I am missing something, but I see no co-relation at all between these
>Henochian "words" and any Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek roots, despite Rafal's
>claim in #3 that it is a "hotchpotch" of Hebrew and Greek words: to me, the
>general sound of the words seems vaguely Indo European (almost proto-Iranian
>or even proto-Sanskrit).

Prge  "fire" probably inspired from Greek pyr, is one I remember
Laycock mentioned to me. He did not mean that the Enochian words
were "borrowed" from Greek or Hebrew, but were _coined_ on
the model of Greek or Hebrew. Ah, another I vaguely remembered,
and which I just found: paradial "dwelling" (paradise?),
paradiz "virgin" (paradise or parthenos?), paracleda "wedding"
(paraclete?)


>And what's so Elizabethan about the grammar, exactly? (e.g. Oxia yala ho
>lado, od zodi romeh o coraxo dass zodi ladareh ra asyo = "The Great Throne
>ached, and suddenly, Five Thunders, flying into the Eastern Part of Heaven"
>e.g. from the 11th Key.

The word order.

That should read:

Oxiayal (the mighty seat) holdo (groaned) od (and) zirom (there were)
o (five) coraxo (thunders) ds (which) zildar (flew) raasy (into the
east), od (and) vabzir (the Eagle) camliax (spake) od (and) bahal (cried),
etc., etc.

(Think of it, this "o" for "five" could be the Arabic digit--I wonder)

>Rafal, can you point me to one of your studies (or someone else's) who can
>prove that the "Henochian" language is a Renaissance fabrication of Dr Dee?

That was me, Jacques Guy, not Rafal Prinke, writing about what Donald
Laycock told me person-to-person. He didn't want to antagonise 
Askin Publishers by writing elsewhere what he really thought of
Enochian. This is as far as he goes in giving it away (p.63):

"I am sure that Kelley went into genuine trance states, in which
he saw visions which he faithfully reported; but I am equally sure
that at least on some occasions he consciously elaborated on those 
visions, and at times even invented them, and fabricated messages
from the spirits, for his own ends; and that he used, consciously 
or unconsciously, any information that he picked up from Dee,
and relayed it back to him."

>Also, would it be a stretch to co-relate VMS-A and VMS-B with 1st and 2nd
>Henochian?

Voynichese is entirely unlike Enochian. Laycock had had a close look at
the VMS. He'd obtained a microfilm from Yale, and I'd printed perhaps
sixty enlargements.

The quotes above are out of the first edition of "The Complete Enochian
Dictionary--A Dictionary of the Angelic Language as revealed to Dr
John Dee and Edward Kelley" (preface by Stephen Skinner), Askin
Publishers, London, 1978, ISBN 0-905919-01-7




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