VMs: Henochian Langage and the VMS

["Donald Goodell" <donald.goodell@xxxxxxxxx>]

Group:

Are we speaking of the same Henochian Language oft quoted in 20th Century
Occult Books (alla Alistair Crowley) , such as the following sampling of
common Henochian words, or are we talking about another "articifical"
language altogether here?


English           Henochian (Dr Dee)

Man               Holorah
Mankind         Molapeh
House            Salamaneh
Moon             Gerahah
Peace             Thearzodi
Truth              Vaho Ahen
Poison            Tafah
Day                Basagiim
First                El
Mine               Ahah
Gah                Winds
Fire                Bitohem
Flowers          Lores Elkey
Not                Geh
Thorns            Nannabay
Bed                Teha Enta
Palace             Poamal
Whore            Babalo Enda
Waters            Zodin
Knowledge     Iadenah
Covenant        Sibesi
Power             Mih
Love               Zodaraga
Olives             Quaniis
Yes                 Noibeh
No                  Ageh
Light               Ohelparta
Drunk             Oresbah
Slaves             Nokoleh
etc. etc.

Maybe I am missing something, but I see no co-relation at all between these
Henochian "words" and any Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek roots, despite Rafal's
claim in #3 that it is a "hotchpotch" of Hebrew and Greek words: to me, the
general sound of the words seems vaguely Indo European (almost proto-Iranian
or even proto-Sanskrit).

And what's so Elizabethan about the grammar, exactly? (e.g. Oxia yala ho
lado, od zodi romeh o coraxo dass zodi ladareh ra asyo = "The Great Throne
ached, and suddenly, Five Thunders, flying into the Eastern Part of Heaven"
e.g. from the 11th Key.

Comments from anyone who is in anyway intimate with Henochian?

Rafal, can you point me to one of your studies (or someone else's) who can
prove that the "Henochian" language is a Renaissance fabrication of Dr Dee?

Also, would it be a stretch to co-relate VMS-A and VMS-B with 1st and 2nd
Henochian?

It might be a worthwhile exercise to see if the Star Groups listed in the
Astrological Section use any type of Henochian words or expressions (or even
abbreviations) at all...

DG
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques Guy" <jguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: VMs: Can one "prove" a hoax? - and a request.


 2/19/03 7:47:36 PM, "Rafal T. Prinke" <rafalp@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
 Donald Laycock did statistical research on the Enochian which he mentions
in the introduction to his Dictionary - but there are no details. Perhaps
Jacques Guy knows more about the nature of Donald Laycock's computer
analysis of the two Enochian languages?

 Yes. I wrote the software. There was a frequency count and of course a
dictionary program -- meaning, sort the words  into alphabetical order, and
a dictionary-reversal program  (turn Enochian-English into
English-Enochian).

I seem to   remember that Don also used a concordance I had written
several years before, in order to find grammatical patterns,  but the corpus
is so small that the concordance was useless.

I have Laycock'sdictionary upstairs and am too lazy to go and check it right
now, but I recall he concluded that the "second Enochian" (the one with
English translations) had many features of a genuine language.

 He was writing for an audience of occultists, so he was not going to reveal
what he really thought of
Enochian. But he told me and here it is:

 1. The phonology of the language is typical Elizabethan  English.

 2. Its syntax is also Elizabethan English.

 3. The words are a hodge-podge of Hebrew and Greek.

 4. It is a hoax by Kelley, and Dee fell for it like a rank amateur.


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