RE: VMs: Time to get hands dirty

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I know I really should be ignoring this thread...
> How "aware" is this person concerning methods of encryption? Has this
person considered deeply those methods that have failed? Has this person
attempted to route around those failures? If so, what route did this person
take? What routes are available? How deeply does this person think? Is this
person a borderline nut-job that has JUST ENOUGH SENSE to USE those "odd
ideas" that enter his head?

	-- was that rhetorical?

>Jacques, I have been sitting here quietly for two years watching what is
going on. I have watched the combined talent of all of the members of this
group attack this thing with every weapon in their arsenal. Attack after
attack has bounced off of it and it remains in one piece. Something is
wrong.

	-- Just because the author ignores the questions concerning his solution,
doesn't mean 'attacks' have bounced off of it. In reality nobody attacked
anything...
we just asked questions - like - how does one decide to add zero to three
vowels on
any given letter and know which 'case endings' to choose? All the questions
may
sound like attacks to those who feel defensive about their ideas when they
can't answer
simple questions, but let's face it - The questions regarding John's
solutions were
NEVER even attempted to be answered (just ignored). That does not bode well
in proving
a theory is long-standing and therefore accurate.

>I understand what John is doing. I COULD duplicate his method. But, it
would take a complete study of the language in question and a background
study of the information he is tapping. The point is, I see what he is
doing. John is within "the realm of the rules." Is he correct? Please, give
him a chance to explain what he sees.

	-- He's had that chance plenty of times - and has NEVER been able to set up
a few simple logical rules that anybody could duplicate. By your arguments,
if someone
else wasted the time to come up with a consonant only latin text, assigning
vowels at random
to make a context that somewhat works inline with some historical set of
events then the translation
must also be accurate.

>and the center of the destruction has, for thousands of years, been
described as a destruction coming from God because of the way people
conduct themselves, what am I to think?

	-- You've got a 'historical' event you want to make the VMS fit...
ofcourse, you see merit
in making it fit somehow contorting one or two characters out of thousands
to see what you want.
Make some rules that flow through the whole of the VMS - that others could
pick a page at random
and you will always return the same results and you might get some interest.

>I submit that the Zodiacal / Astronomical sections of the VMS concern the
scientifically verified

	-- Say what? Scientifically verified coming destruction... uh oh.

, anciently verified, coming destruction, that even
Fulcanelli was afraid of. Hence, in his work, he stated that the place of
refuge must be found.


	-- Sorry, but before one 'reads' the book - shouldn't we first reveal the
words?

	John Grove.


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