VMs: RE: Re: Why the year begins from Pisces

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

	Binding won't help change the position of Pisces in the calendar...

	Pisces is on the reverse side of 70r1/r2 meaning that when you turn the
page from r2 you see 70v2. Nothing can be squeezed in before you see 70v2
after
viewing 70r2. This means that Pisces is the first of the zodiac images,
unless
any prior ones were separated by the content of 69 and 70r1/r2 from the rest
of
the zodiac images. I think it is pretty clear that the missing zodiac images
fall
on the missing pages at the end.

	John.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of DANA SCOTT
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:07 AM
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Subject: VMs: Re: Why the year begins from Pisces


No doubt the binding of the VMS has been examined closely by a number of
individuals; however, I do not know to what extent there has been an
analysis by experts in the science of manuscript bindings who would help
date the document.

Refer to René Zandbergen's website for an excellent "Description of the
manuscript":
http://www.voynich.nu/descr.html

One examiner wrote (as best I can make out from analyzing the Copyflo) on
the inside of the back cover of the manuscript the following comments.
(Note: I have added (?) following words that I am not certain about.)
Perhaps someone else has more information.

    Some signatures at
    beginning and end
    resewn with Irish(?) linen
    thread

    Vellum were attached
    with leather thongs
    and vellum guards(?)
    added at beginning
    and end. 18(?)/2, 1967

    HH
                7484

Regards,
Dana Scott


----- Original Message -----
From: "steve ekwall" <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:46 AM
Subject: VMs: Why the year begins from Pisces


> hi all (quick question) :-)
>
>
> The years (era) of 1000 - 1150 CE ~feels~ better for vms .. Can the
> paper (vellum)?, and book/scribe/ binding technique possibly date back
> to that age? .. the "crossbow" goes back to 1-3 BC's? in china!
> (ref: f73v ) ref:www.flamingjesus.com f73v etc..
>
> -=se=-
>
>
> ref:
>  Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:06:14 +0200
>  From: Vladimir Sazonov <vladimir@xxxxxxxx>
>
>  Many calendars were in use in Iran, also lunar hijra and several solar
>  calendars.
>
>  The solar zoroastrian calendea have 12x30 days and 5 additional days at
>  the end.
>
>  http://www3.sympatico.ca/zoroastrian/cal.html
>
>  In the year 1006 CE the roaming Noruz day again coincided with the day
>  of the Vernal Equinox. There was great rejoicing both in Iran and India.
>  It was resolved that Zoroastrians must add an extra month every 120
>  years. Between 1126 and 1129 CE, the Parsees in India remembered and
>  added a 13th month called the 2nd Spendamad but the Zoroastrian in Iran
>  forgot. The intercalation made by the Indian Zoroastrian Community, put
>  the Calendar of the Iranian Zoroastrians ahead by one month. This
>  difference between the two Calendars went unnoticed until a learned
>  Kermani priest, Dastur Jamasp Vilayat, visited India in 1720 and brought
>  it to the attention of the Parsi community. Long after the Dastur had
>  left, the Zoroastrians in India continued to debate the issue of the two
>  Calendars. In 1746, a group of Zoroastrians in India decided to adopt
>  the Iranian Calendar as that of the "old time". They separated and
>  formed a new group called Qadimi but the majority of Parsees continued
>  to follow their traditional Calendar and called themselves Shenshais
>  (Royalist). No intercalations have been made since 1130 CE.
>
>  The Shenshai and Qadimi Calendars do not have any means of intercalation
>  built into them. Consequently, in both these Calendars, Noruz recedes
>  from the day of Vernal Equinox and the Gahambars, the seasonal
>  festivals, are celebrated at the wrong time of the year.
>
>  Nick Pelling wrote:
>
>  > Hi Vladimir,
>  >
>  > At 23:00 29/03/03 +0100, Vladimir Sazonov wrote:
>  >
>  >> f67r2 maybe is a key.
>  >> You see a sequence of black and white moons, normally
>  >> black-white-black-white but one time is black-black-white-white.
>  >
>  >
>  > Lunar Hijra is a very interesting possibility (I'm fascinated by all
>  > things calendrical), though for f67r2 I guess the smart money's
>  > probably on a dumb scribe (ie who painted them in wrongly). :-)
>  >
>  > Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
>  >
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