RE: VMs: Ryland 228

["GC" <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Dana,

I've looked at many of these pages before.  I've been trying to
determine the number of manuscripts written in brown ink from the
15th century in collections, and while there are a few, most are
religious texts.  (not surprising since most books were religious
texts).

The description about the order of manuscript construction - text
first, then illumination - does not, IMHO, fit the VMS, and just
one other thing I think speaks against a scribal copy.  It
appears, to me at least, that the majority of the herbals were
drawn before the text was written in.  To me this points to the
author and the illuminator being one and the same.

I know we've covered this a few times before - one of these days
I'm going to make a list... - oh well, not today anyway.

GC

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of DANA SCOTT
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>
>
> Hello GC,
>
> Sounds like 'gall nuts' and 'iron salts' to me.
> You may find the following to be of some interest:
>
> http://www.ceu.hu/medstud/manual/MMM/ink.html
> http://www.regia.org/quill3.htm
> http://www.swaen.com/medieval.html
>
> Regards,
> Dana Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GC" <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:32 PM
> Subject: RE: VMs: Ryland 228
>
>
> > Nick, thanks for the info, and if you have time by
> the end of the
> > summer, I'll owe you a big one.
> >
> > You've obviously viewed your share of manuscripts, so
> I'm going to
> > toss something out and see what you think -
> >
> > Brown ink is nothing new by this time, but after viewing
> > descriptions of many many manuscripts, I'm left with
> the distinct
> > impression that brown ink was not a "top shelf" item.
>  It seems to
> > have been used by a lot of monks, and I've also found several
> > alchemical manuscripts in brown ink.  It seems to be far more
> > common to find epistles and letters written in brown ink than
> > manuscripts.  I haven't found another herbal written in brown
> > ink - yet.
> >
> > The description of Ryland 228 says that it is a collection of
> > religious papers as well as a small herbal written in
> brown ink -
> > very interesting.  The collection is from Yorkshire,
> late 15th to
> > early 16th century, right in my time frame, my
> location and my ink
> > of interest.  Ascham's Sacro Bosco manuscript is also
> written in
> > brown ink.  It may be nothing, but I'm hoping I can
> find a match
> > in the handwriting, and although the description
> doesn't say the
> > herbal is illustrated, I'm certainly hoping it is.
> >
> > GC
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Nick Pelling
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:31 AM
> > > To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: VMs: Ryland 228
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi GC,
> > >
> > > At 18:28 13/05/2003 -0500, GC wrote:
> > > >Not to press, but have you had time to view this
> > > manuscript, or is
> > > >the location of the manuscript out of your range of
> > > travel?  How
> > > >do I request a copy of this?  My goal is to shut down
> > > the VMS list
> > > >by the end of the year, and while yet another
> Ascham manuscript
> > > >may be nice historically, it's not all that
> critical.  I'd just
> > > >like to know for certain if it is one of his.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, I haven't been able to manufacture an
> > > excuse to go into the
> > > British Library over the last few weeks - much to my
> > > annoyance, my
> > > Things-To-Do list keeps filling up fractally. :-(
> > >
> > > Photocopying at the BL is only allowed on non-fragile
> > > items (and is subject
> > > to the normal copyright limits), and I guess C16 MSS
> > > are unlikely to fall
> > > in that category - so I guess getting someone to act as
> > > your proxy (ie
> > > examine it on your behalf) is just about your only option.
> > >
> > > Is anyone else here planning to drop by the BL?
> > >
> > > Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
> > >
> > >
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