VMs: Re: RE: Regal Eagle

["DANA SCOTT" <dscott520@xxxxxxx>]

Yes, you are of course quite correct, but what impresses me here is that
striking similarity between this particular set of eagle wings to what is
seen in the VMS. Certainly there is also the question of when it was
incorporated in this particular Coat of Arms and other possible earlier
occurrences. Here are some examples of other eagle displays but none as
impressive as that on the Novara (Piedmont) Coat of Arms.

Similar but not quite:
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/ch-ge045.html
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/ch-ge006.html
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/ch-lu061.html
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/ch-ne033.html
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/ch-sz028.html
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/ch-vd001.html
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/ch-vs-br.html

Regards,
Dana Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "GC" <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:33 PM
Subject: VMs: RE: Regal Eagle


> Dana,
> I had noticed this and also given it some thought, but remembering
> my travels through Germany, where I saw hundreds of such images in
> castles and museums throughout the country, my first thought was
> Germany.  I've also seen similar eagles in Austria, Poland,
> Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria.
>
> Having run into these from Goslar to Prague, I didn't think it a
> good lead to follow.  Having said that however, I wonder how many
> of these eagles were in use in the 15th/16th century, and whether
> several of these locations can't be ruled out, both by the time
> period in question and its similarity to the VMS eagle.  You might
> be onto something.....
>
> GC
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of DANA SCOTT
> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:13 PM
> > To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: VMs: Regal Eagle
> >
> >
> > One aspect of the herbal section in the VMS that has
> > been somewhat puzzling
> > to me is the significance of apparent confusion
> > presented by the "unusual"
> > additions to some of the herbals. It appears that a
> > number of the herbal
> > drawings have been twisted and contorted into shapes
> > that only the scribe of
> > the VMS or close confederates would understand. There
> > is clear evidence of
> > animal shapes being included in the drawings suggesting
> > a possible interest
> > in the doctrine of signatures. It has also been
> > suggested that grafting of
> > various plants may be evinced in the VMS. While these
> > hypotheses may someday
> > prove positive I sense that a more personal agenda may
> > be proffered.
> >
> > An examination of the root system in f46v strongly
> > suggests the heraldic
> > display of an eagle's wing popular in many Coats of
> > Arms. While this may be
> > unmistakably obvious, perhaps there is more. I have
> > reviewed many of the
> > banners and flags of Italy and what strikes me as most
> > interesting is that
> > there is only a single example that most closely
> > matches the roots in f46v:
> >
> > Novara Province (Piedmont,Italy): (West of Milan)
> > http://fotw.vexillum.com/misc/it-nov.jpg
> > http://www.fotw.net/misc/it-no.jpg
> > http://fotw.vexillum.com/misc/it)nov.gif
> >
> > Now if we take a closer look at the herbal drawing and
> > work our way up to
> > the top of the plant we can see that the flowers have
> > been arranged into
> > almost a complete circle which might suggest the crown
> > at the top of this
> > Coat of Arms. Similarly, the leaves in this plant might
> > correspond to the
> > laurels branching through the crown. Of course this may
> > be speculation on my
> > part but it does seems to help explain the "unusual"
> > combination of items
> > included in the herbals. It might suggest that the
> > scribe of the VMS is
> > somewhat patriotic and perhaps loyal to a cause. There
> > may be similar
> > examples and clues in the VMS that could help us focus
> > our sights on the
> > location of the origin of the VMS, which by this
> > possible 'evidence' appears
> > to continue to be in Northern Italy.
> >
> > Piemonte:
> > http://www.sinifulvi.com/images/map11.gif
> >
> > Novara:
> > http://www.regione.piemonte.it/stat/aree/im/province.jpg
> > http://www.batei-kfar.co.il/farm-holiday/aosta_piemonte_
> liguria_lombardia.gi
> f
>
> Map: (Novara, Piemonte, West of Milan)
> http://www.ilnuovo.it/nuovo/images/68/mappe_regioni_1_214x204.jpg
> http://www.tecnosport.it/italy_map_piemonte.JPG
> http://www.moto.it/roadbook/foto/312-00-big.jpg
> http://www.olivetti.com.pe/aip/images/ArtCentral/MAPA.gif
> http://www.costanzaeroberto.it/images/piemonte_1.jpg
>
> Regards,
> Dana Scott
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