RE: VMs: RE: word length counts - addendum

["GC" <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, there are extensive word frequency counts that have been done on all
major languages.  They're used for seeking cribs into text, etc.  I'm in the
process of creating just such a list from an English herbal, and one from an
English astrological/prognostication, both 16th century.  I have Macer in
Latin print that I can run through Omnipage and create a list for that
version as well.  Having a frequency study of the words dealing with the
subject matter is most important.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that several of the 3-letter combinations map to
the word "the".  The problem here is that 8am may mean "the" one time, but
something else the next.  It's so popular as a stand-alone AND as a longer
word component that it is impossible for it to mean the same thing all of
the time and the text remain a communicator of thought in the form of
language.

These examples imply a changing system,(or systems).

GC

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Larry Roux
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:05 AM
> To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: VMs: RE: word length counts - addendum
>
>
> I would bet my bottom dollar bill one of the 2 letter words means "and".
>
> There is a question. There are methods to determine likely
> vowels, is there a systematic method for trying to narrow down
> possible words that mean common things such as "and", "the", etc?
>  While "the" does not appear in all languages, one would think
> "and" would be extremely popular in most texts.
>
> There are letter frequency counts.  Is there such a thing as a
> studt of word frequency counts?
>
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> ******************************
> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx
> *******************************
> >>> glenclaston@xxxxxxxxxxx 07/06/03 01:45 AM >>>
> Steve,
> Here's a top 25 list of two and three letter words, just for laughs.  Most
> of these go on to form major elements of common longer words, so they're
> worth noting.
>
> http://voynich.info/vgbt/xcrptn/two_letter.jpg
>
> GC
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of GC
> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:27 PM
> > To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: VMs: RE: word length counts - addendum
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Here's a link to the standard glyphs taken from the count (not to be
> > confused with my page entitled "VGBT Standard Glyph Set" which refers to
> > glyphs mapped to standard keyboard keys.)
> >
> > http://voynich.info/vgbt/xcrptn/standard_glyph.jpg
> >
> > It should again be noted that these 21 glyphs make up more than
> 97% of the
> > VMS, and another 2% have been considered by Currier and others
> as nothing
> > more than variations on these 21.  I record them separately because the
> > diacritics and other features amount to a structured "shorthand" that is
> > probably "instructional" in nature.
> >
> > At the bottom of this image you'll also find the counts for the
> 24 glyphs
> > that represent single words in these quires.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > GC
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of steve ekwall
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:21 PM
> > > To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: VMs: RE: word length counts - addendum
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi GC & All :-)
> > >
> > > Hope all USA had a good 4th of July (we did), ps weird WORLD-WIDE
> > > "Hacker ATTACK" Due SUNDAY (THIS SUNDAY 7/6/03- Tomorrow) FWIW :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd like to *keep it simple whenever possible* :-)
> > >
> > > Which 14 glyphs are the "standard" set? Is there a URL for this 14 set
> > > as well as the 24 (mentioned below?)
> > >
> > > While i'm working on a 3 3 9 (set), 14 could help out in posititings,
> > > especially if they (the standard 14) include 2 or 4 of the "\2 \\2 or
> > > even \\\2 glyphs or (8\\m included)".
> > >
> > > Thx in advance;
> > > -=se=-
> > > steve (still in denver) ekwall
> > >
> > >
> > >  Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 01:26:33 -0500
> > >  From: GC <glenclaston@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >  Reply-To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >  To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >  Subject: VMs: RE: word length counts - addendum
> > >
> > >  In addition, only 24 glyphs represent single-glyph words, and
> > of these 24
> > >  only 14 are from the "standard" set of glyphs.
> > >  GC
> > >
> > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >  (snip)
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