RE: VMs: A & B Tokens and Titles....

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

	The only evidence is that the reason that quire marks exist is to tell
someone who doesn't necessarily know anything about the content which order
the 'group' of pages in the quire go in - assuming that the group of pages
haven't
been dropped or reordered before the person gets a chance to bind the quires
together.

	The folio numbering with missing numbers shows that the these were applied
after the MS was bound into its present order. The fact that the quire mark
for
quire #9 should be the last verso page of the quire shows how one simple
mistake realigned the whole order. The last two pages should be 68v1 and
67r1 - making
the obvious title page for the section be 67r2. If you look at the content
of
68v1 and 67r1 you can see they are definitely related in the same fashion as
68r1 and 68r2 are.

	I believe that B-tokened folios belong in B-tokened quires and the
quires are:
1-4 A token
5 B token
6 A
7 B
	And then we'd have to go into what variations might exist within the cosmo
pages
etc..

Balneological quires are B.
Pharma are A.
Detailed Starred text is B.

	So we have Herbal-A and B, Pharma - A, Balneo - B, Some cosmo-type B, and
lastly
details in B.

	John.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx]On
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:50 AM
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Subject: Re: VMs: A & B Tokens and Titles....


Hi John,

At 09:53 19/07/2003 -0400, John Grove wrote:
>                 All B-tokenized pages just happen to be attached to a
> B-tokenized
>sheet of vellum. That is if one looks through the Herbal-A pages and finds
>one B-tokenized
>page, you won't be surprised to find that the other end of that sheet of
>vellum is
>also a B-tokenized page. If the B-tokens were the result of later
additions,
>then both
>haves of the sheet were added at the same time. When we reach folio 26 we
>hit our first
>B-tokenized page stuck in amongst a quire of A-tokenized pages - with
>ofcourse its other
>half at folio 31 being the only other B-tokenized page in the quire.
>
>                 So if B-tokens were the result of later additions, then
> the additions
>amounted
>to four full pages (26r/v and 31r/v) to this quire. While going through a
>quick review of
>the folio layout (again) and noting (again) that the quires don't make
sense
>with the
>folio numbering although I have no doubt whatsoever that the quire markings
>are much older
>than the folio numbering - but both were done a few centuries ago.

Aside from the mis-aligned diagram in the balneological section, are there
any other cues we might use in order to determine the most likely original
quire folio-order?

For example, in the first quire, it looks to me like the top of the plant
in f3v has bled across to the curve at the top of f4r (opposite) when
painted, so I guess these were in the same order when the page was painted
up (which I assume was before the foliation). Similarly for the mark at the
top of f4v and f5r, and the mark 25% down the page on f5v and f6r. In fact,
I'd say quire 1 seems pretty rock-solid, order-wise.

The Herbal A and Herbal B folios would seem to suggest that the VMS were
originally quired by group: but if so, is there any physical evidence to
support this idea? Basically, is there sufficient evidence there to infer
what the original order probably was?

Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....


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