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RE: VMs: [ha] [hb] not different languages



Hi Rene,

At 00:31 04/08/2003 -0700, Rene Zandbergen wrote:
--- Nick Pelling wrote:
> as I neither believe that words are aligned with
> words nor believe that letters are aligned with
> letters, ....

There are a lot of things that cannot be explained
if you follow this belief.
It is one thing to assume that the plain text
words are composed of several apparent VMS words.
This means that some spaces are real, others are
not. Labels could then be single letters or
abbreviated words.
It is quite another thing that the PT spaces
fall in the middle of VMs words. That's completely
at odds with the presence of labels and I also
don't see any evidence supporting it.

IMO, the labels are a bit mysterious, whatever your theory. For those holding a linguistic position, labels should surely provide some kind of way to get under the VMS' skin (like the "Pleiades" label) - AIUI, the history of referents in language is largely a history of mutations/borrowings - yet here we see text written in a novel language with no apparent borrowings at all. Similarly, for those taking a cryptographic view, labels should surely help provide cribs of some sort - but this too has failed to be true.


In other words, the presence of labels doesn't seem to be supporting *anyone's* pet theory, regardless of what view you take of spaces. FWIW: my current working hypothesis is that - astrological labels aside - many may be acronyms, simply as a kind of mnemonic device. Sure, it's a bit of a lousy theory, but ATM labels look like a poor data-set AFA everyone is concerned. :-(

Evidence is a tricky beast - as there appears to be neither precedent nor antecedent for the kind of tricky combination of shorthand, space transposition cipher and verbose cipher I'm trying to describe here, I don't have a dataset to build up comparative/correlative statistics with. We don't even have (AIUI) any examples of actual tachygraphy from this period, to get a feel for the kind of shorthand abbreviations that were in use - so you might say I'm swimming in a large lacuna. :-o

However, the next obvious evidential stage would be to perform statistical analyses at the pair cipher level, to build up a statistical picture of what's going on there. Any particularly interesting features found there might help sway opinion that - at the very least - there's evidence of a pair cipher / verbose cipher at work in the VMS. We'll see!

Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....


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