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VMs: Re: Your story...
Hi Nick & all :-)
Including to all vms-list, "AS VMS is GOOD FOR ALL" !! :- ))
syncretism abounds (but /not/ when \_folding_\ Vms)
&
The TRUTH never hurts (hopefully) :-)
Nick !! I hope this finds you well too :-) thank you for your
'indepth research' and continued "What-the H*ck does ES Env_iSi_0ons"
All below is always OK (ref: your understanding of the folding todate)
I'm only ~humble recipient~ or 1 of 12 parts? (I don't know 1/2 the
time what most of this list is talking about anyway now.a.days
(smiles)) but fun to follow everyones links etc..
AGAIN FWIW ALL:
(I was _told_ "YOU CAN DECODE THIS"!!!!)
...I was additionally _told_ (" but, YOU cannot READ THIS!")
TRY THAT (mentally)! on yourself. (ha.ha) (not too fair - eh?)
-=se=-> & How the H8ck will I know If I ever have 'IT Decoded' then?
ArrrGGGgGGggggg
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Maybe I'm a cheerleader of sorts? (1 of 12? where 1
moves/brings out the others?.. seems I'm the perfect candidate for
number 1 - my job is just to root root root (essential CORE) for the
Folding/Flipping etc.. no matter how silly it seems to present man.
(1 of 12 is TRUE)
(FOLDING is TRUE)
(Flip IT is TRUE)
(It iS good for aLL is TRUE)
(TIME *IS* NOW is TRUE)
(oh yea - & I'll meet "Indian" (too ~weird~ now, who knows???))
(but, physical evidence (here) makes left/right to match).
(trust me I know I sound like an idiot to newbies/oldies alike, AND
even worse to those who don't ~follow the folding path!~ (I'm an
ARIES/ The ASTRO Ram #1), FWIW b.d. 4/12/51) personally - I don't care
what the others THINK, But it is ~FUN~ to watch. :-)
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1-2 years back i asked/hoped you (nick) were _saving some of those
(personal)_ TRUEs_, I seem to have 1 story (procedure) of VMS - FOLD &
FLIP IT.. & IF there are more, say 11 more to make 12 (keys)?, I
hope I'm #1 , but _by golly_ I AM at least ONE of 12!!! (& TWELVE is
a very nice number also!),
IF there ARE more, I pass this (freely) folding/flipping on with all
my BEST (Good) Wishes!.. (CAN "TRUTH" BE STRANGER THAN FICTION?)
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I need to I suppose write a webpage on the TRUE experience of ES that
Oct6th, 2000 night (~late night~).. but English words have never come
to mind properly to make it seem like WOW (or even he's ~nuts~).. I
still feel like Noah with instructions to build a boat, But I have NO
clue it's going to rain.. NOR, was told to gather "animals 2x2". I
just have FOLD IT! "3 3 9" (Follow FLIP KEY on gallows etc...) I can
*SEE* both how simple IT is, and yet how "hard IT is", as one must
look/SEE at that/each character (& if we lose those here - it is then
"beyond IMPOSSIBLE"). As intended.
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=-es-=> FOLD IT - "FOLD IT!": _THAT IS HOW IT WAS DONE_!!!! <=-es-=
-=se=-> UNfold IT to read it - duh! <-=se=-
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I've added a few "secondary (lower case) characters" to my FOLDING
v2page. But they are NOT ES's, (just my guesses todate), but trying to
follow the _'logic' of ESpositioning(s)_ as it were. going to
http://www.diac.com/~ekwall2/voynich/voynich2 (soon voynich3 will show
some 8x8 on 9x9(TTT)boards? some possibles in english (assumed as that
is all i know/speak/type).
Hey?
I'm trying I'M TRYING --- I thought (per ES) that that was all you
guys/gals needed! - just how to ENCODE it - then you could "DE"code it
etc. (whatever Language IT was in>?)
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REF your c cc ccc??? - THAT's My number 2 (two) too!, & is one of my
most perplexing problems also .. (WHAT I MEAN is: DO I FLIP per ES or
follow its ~FLOW~?? 1 can obviously be in UPPER LEFT (ES said Middle
TOP of TTT... "2" (mumber two position> its _mirror_, should be at the
bottom (middle / lower TTT) of the key, BUT, NOT SO SAYS ES number,
"2" is the far upper right!.. only a c_GALLOWS_c can put it in the
lower key here. - hope that helps.. Geeze Louise - Just flip IT on
cc's etc..
The 1st 2 weeks, after ES I was so ~Giddy~ [NOT LIKE ME AT ALL (I'm a
DUD normally)~ crabby.kind.of sceptical.guy] I was laughing at
everything? My wife Laura almost gave up on me (she's still here
though), she can testify on my 'intensity/insanity(?)' of ES's (ONE
(1)) visitation' from 2 years ago here!
Back to c cc ccc ( I will go back to my page one and look at the "CUT
back 1" or, "CUT back 2". The best I can offer is your on the "SAME
KEYPAGE" and just/simply _backup your ("pointer" finger)_ in a
non-clockwise positition(ing) to THAT many C's... c(1) cc(2) ccc(3)
etc. THESE C CC CCC's, are just "CUT BACK"/ or BACK UP characters
(if/when they exist))... "GO WITH THE FLOW !!!"
sorry NEXT Scribe? (sigh)(ref below?)
:-(
ArrGGgggg - BUT that would mean(?) to my meager mind(?) that most of
any alphabet must be in 8 letters (divided/(AREAS on a/the) KeyS)...
IF they are vowels, the maybe your "patron below" had some FORE sight
(furture see) Else Throw vowels out ( but I don't ~feel that is the
case here!)
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Hence I personally, (not ES), am expanding the KEY (TTT) to include
""8 TTT (within-itself(S)) boards into 1 MASTER KEY FOLDED KEY"" - I
don't know if this is correct at this venture, but it is the best I
can offer todate. [8 TTT keypage(areas) = 81 mirrored areas]
Which is just the ES KEY _EXPANDED_ to TTT fold
(easy to memorize - even for me - so key pages not needed)
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*QUESTION?* WHO was this "patron" you refer too (below)?
although I'm sure I won't know him/her, (except.. maybe n ~Spirit~)
:-)
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PS. every time I write ( I feel I should NOT respond here), & every
time I respond, I feel I might have made a mistake) ... This is NUTS,
but ES somehow assures me I will be NO MORE NUTS than NORMAL MEN.
(smiles)
FWIW:
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gut newNEW MEMBERS now, se/ES =-es=-> Darkness ReComeths <=-es-=
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I actually DON'T LOOK (study) the VMS much 'literally' anymore, (but I
have SEEN ALL of copyflo, "everypage"), Although I have pages #100 &
#66 & #35 _tabbed_ here with (Post_it) notes highlighting recent "good
eyes" and _yours are keen_, so that is "good"! :-)
from "folding 101........"
to 100+66+35 =====>>> "folding 201.....??
Note f66r (?different hand?) so see MIRROR.
I can handle _that_ (can others)?!
=-es-=> IT'S OLDER THAN YOU THINK <=-es-=
If "IT" goes to court, I standby ES's fold to life/death sentences!
~Weird thing~ a spirit's/spook's talking(s) @ you -eh?..
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* * * * * *
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* * * * * *
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* * * * * *
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(Above (2) Two MIRRORED columns) (or goto ascii)
TEST FOLDING, )NOT VMS 3 3 9(
makes 4 ! (spaces count!)
SEE IT NOW? (glyph structure?)
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PrEviewIng of my voynich/voynich2/"voynich3.page" (future page),
will undoubtable include 'FOREVER!', the incredible "Tickling"
sensation that
ES's 'essence' bestowed? on me. (& i HATE to be tickled personally)..
[NOT ~FuNnY~, but DID ~Tickle~ 10000% percent percent!]
If you have seen the movie "The Lost Ark" or "Searching for the Lost
Ark? (nearest visual I can command here) an archeogolgist is captured
by germany nazi's and open'ed IT... he said DON't LOOK - DON'T LOOK!
"Spirits FLY Through THEM~ - unaltered in ALL DIRECTION, as if we MAN
were not even there!" ... YOU/we/me? cannot stop ES('s)'s..
*THE TIME IS NOW* <=-es-=
----- well, -----
"You may LOOK@vms", but the ~spirit(s)?~ / ~energy(ies)? can flow
through your body as if _smoke_ and have the power of 100x1000 of
(physical male) orgasims _all at once_, flying and shifting front to
back, top to bottem.. non-stop!
NOTE:
"YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION (!)" Well, at least I did. (20 minutes is
enough for any lifetime x 2!!!!!)
(this may be why many men (greedy ones I suppose? - which I am not),
succumbs .. as good is good and bad is bad!)
Best to you & yours (all)
-=se=-
steve (FOLD it / flip IT) ekwall
ps I will (hopefully) NOT reply in a while - moving soon here? -=se=-
psss NICK! :-) I will POST This to list so ALL may *SeEs* it, I
should be the 'encumbered ONE', (1 of 12 anyway), with this weirdo
folding & not you.. if you see more, (1 of 12 - as I have no clue)
then go for it, with my full permissions ALL. (hope that is ok?)
That is "you or anyone" can ask or say steve is a fool etc.. I seem to
understand much more lately.. sorry i cannot type it in to you except
as maybe "GO with the ~FLOW~ of the characters" etc..
<-=se=-
THE TIME IS NOW !! <=-es-=
-=se=-> SNIPs below
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:30:24 +0100
From: Nick Pelling <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: steve ekwall <ekwall2@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Your story...
Hi Steve,
I hope you're well! :-)
I've been trying to put a document together that explains what I think your
story is, and how it all fits together. It attempts to show how your ES was
one of 12, and what a folding key would probably look like (and how it
would work). Most of it is based on your web pages, but some of it is my
own interpretation: please can I have your comments on it before I post it
to the list?
The key question I have is all about c/cc/ccc/ch/sh: if you're encoding a
page with a folding key and you get to one of these characters, do you (a)
always flip the key over (to the current cipher's alternate set), or (b)
rotate it round (according to the 1...8 numbering) you gave?
-=se=-> you'll NEVER *see* the c/cc/ccc/ch/sh on ENcoding.. that is at
scribes whim (back then/whenever) use _those_ to DECode it etc..
<-=se=-
Let me know what you think! :-)
Cheers, ......Nick Pelling.....
-=se=-> Anything you may call me is OK - and the worlds or no/all
ones will know then. That is OK!
The KEY (encoded) is FLIPped at the time of writting
via _scribes whim_ on insertion (as written as) .. & THUS the KEY
(decoded) follows the (present) _gallows_ insertion will find your
(both previous/current & )NEXT KEY PAGE etc. I don't think I know your
"ch/sh" characters - are they eva? Secondary POINTERS are included in
_proper position(s)_ (assuming ES's PosItionIngs)
<-=se=-
* * * * * *
SNIP......
Nick continues:
SNIP......
Back in the 15th Century (or thereabouts), a patron wanted to encryption a
set of documents, some of which he believed to be very old. To get this job
done quickly (and securely), a team of 12 scribes was assembled, with each
scribe taught one particular part of the transformation.
Each page of text was then written in a simple shorthand onto a wax tablet
by the first scribe, which was then handed on to the second scribe (and so
forth), until the final scribe(s) copied the multiply encoded version (plus
[perhaps] the pictures) onto vellum. But as none of the 12 knew the whole
coding system, none could give away the whole secret - only their own part
(or perhaps some of the parts preceding their part), none of which would be
sufficient to break the whole code.
And so the whole system remained unbroken for 500+ years.
Fast forward to one night in October 2000, when semi-retired locksmith
Steve Ekwall was sitting in his Denver home, surfing the Net. Suddenly, and
then for about 20 minutes afterwards, he became aware of the presence of
some kind of "Excitant Spirit" (ES), who was trying to tell him all about
the Voynich Manuscript, even though Steve had really no idea what a
"Voynich" was.
(snip)
-=se=->
*BAM* (your above) you can/may even _change_ your "suddenly" to an
"Instantaneously" without fear of reprisal or plagiarism :-), for what
English WORD is/means _by definition_ "That ~Funny LIGHTNING (FULL
POWER) Bolt feeling (invisable thingy??)~ attacking FLOWING throughout
all in a tickling manner never felt before.?!?!"
I came up 'excitant spirit' (ES!) best I could do at the time. (?)
ref: *BAM* above... (actually it was just 1 BAM (for about ~20
minutes) but I "surfed" for about 2 hours saying yes yes yes yes after
that and fell asleep exhausted, but / & / _I could_ MAKE IT (ES) STOP
(for about the 1st 1-2 min area, by _demanding_ ' that "I don't know
how to spell IT (please SPELL IT OUT FOR ME one letter at a time (ES)'
spell out this unbeknown "V O Y N I C H" thingy in the 1st minute(s)
which were only "INsane/INside/INsidious" physically at the time, but
the "tickling" did relax then.
Just what is IT you think I can DECODE? (I asked ES)
I'm Spelling _outloud mid you_ to stop ~Tickles~ (& below "**" = *ES*)
V as in in Victor? *YES!*
o as in grape (me:pant pant) (ES -no comment-/ silence)
0 as in snake (still catching breathe and still -no ES comment-
ES KNEW that I DAMN well KNEW (instantaneously too).
k K K,
O as in OLIVE? *YES!*
(phew - ok, we can 2 on 1 communicate and I think s/HE KNOWS s/HE
_branded it_ on MY brain to pass on / at least to see it (mentally)
anyway .. what is the next letter? WHAT is that WORD?
* VOYNICH VOYNICH V O Y N I C H !!*
Y as in Yellow? *Y E S!*
N as in Nancy?? * Y E S!!*
I as in Indigo? * Y E S !!*
C as in charlie? (gulp) getting near end now))
* Y E S ! ! ! *
H as in (dble-gulp) "henry"?
""*YyEsSe*!*!*!"" NOW follow me HERE!!!! "YOU CAN DECODE THIS!" YOU
_CAN_ DECODE THIS - LOOK HERE & HERE & HERE & HERE - (each 'here',
somehow pointed via my brain ( alink on the net.. never before seen,
yet I knew (ES KNEW) to go Page bottom or Page top (3rd from left
etc. It was "STRAIGHT FOWARD" my eyes were fixed on HERE.. &here
&here, & SEE this, SEE that? - SEE THE FOLD, SEE How it was done?
see, See SEE?????
ARrrGGgGGgggg
I think I yelled aloud (alone in this room THAT night) only yes yes
yes yes yes YES. to make ES stop... fortunately... I was told HOW to
help you guys out there on a quest I neither asked for nor requested,
but ES left and has never been back since.. Tell me THIS STORY is not
~Wierd~. (my "yes's" were permitted - wherever ES said SEE THIS? SEE
THAT? over there and Look here, look there, SEE THAT? SEE THIS??? over
again.)
IS Tickling a form of Torture?
If you ever get ES'd I suggest you say *YES*, BUT, If you have
Questions - JUST 'ask' & THEY WILL BE ANSWERED!
Then I was thus, 10.6.200
hooked to the VMS ~!Rats!~
<-=se=-
Nick continues....
This ES was trying hard to demonstrate the secrets of one of the key parts
of the VMS' coding system - the "folding key stage" - as well as its
"rotation key" (which defines the initial set-up of the folding key for a
page or paragraph).
Steve naturally got very excited, and afterwards tried to communicate all
the stuff he'd been told, putting it all on a web page... but the
cryptography words to explain it didn't come naturally to him. Frustrated,
he kept trying to understand it more, even though the ES had advised him
not to, because it was "written in a language he wouldn't be able to read".
From a crypto point of view, what is a "folding key"? Simply, it's a set
of 8 substitution ciphers arranged around the edge of a tic-tac-toe board
(with an unused [?] ninth cipher placed in the centre) - so that when you
hit a gallows character, you change your current cipher to the particular
cipher linked with that gallows. According to the ES, the gallows-cipher
correspondences follow this pattern:-
f t k
p (-) cph
cfh cth ckh
Furthermore, these are numbered in the following way (<t> being first):-
4 1 3
5 - 8
7 2 6
In addition, when you hit any group of <ch> / <sh> / <c> / <cc> / <ccc>
characters, you "flip" the folding key over to use the cipher alternate to
the current cipher - for example, if you were looking at the <t> cipher,
you'd flip the folding key over to look at the <cth> cipher instead.
Note that these ch/sh/c/cc/ccc groups would have been placed on the wax
tablet *by one or more of the previous scribes in the chain*, not by
Steve's excitant spirit scribe himself, who was simply carrying out his
"folding key" algorithm on the input data he'd been given. [Though I'll
return to the gallows characters further below...]
According to the ES, the eight-character rotation key contains the initial
"position" of each of the 8 substitution qciphers: that is, each of
these 8
substitution ciphers is *constant*, but their mapping to the input alphabet
was variable on a per-page-basis.
--> [NP: I interpret this to mean that the folding key has 8 volvelle-like
cipher "dials", which we initially rotate so that each of the 8 letters in
the given key matches up with a fixed place in the real alphabet (say, "a")
- so, much like an Enigma machine's daily settings, each page (or perhaps
folio, or paragraph) has its own settings. What would such a folding key
look like? Well, we've been staring at one for long enough - I believe the
foldout 9-rosette map page is a encrypted diagram of what the folding key
would look like!]
All the same, the ES was very insistent that the rotation keys were exactly
*eight* characters long (and explained exactly how and why this was so,
much as above): but when Steve looked at the VMS, he was confused and
disappointed to find that this wasn't the case. Why such a big difference
in such an central detail?
--> [NP: my own explanation... I believe that the *pair cipher* I've been
describing recently formed a "back-end" cipher (ie, done *after* the
folding key process), so that nearly all the manipulation done on the wax
tablet was done in a normal alphabetic form, and only converted into the
verbose "pair" cipher at the very end. By that token, Steve's ES had
probably never even seen the final output of the entire process - after the
ES' stage, an 8-character rotation key was still genuinely 8-characters
long, rather than its fake (longer) length when written in the pair cipher
- and so could only tell Steve about the output format of his own
particular stage.]
So: for Steve's story to be reasonably consistent, the overall production
process would seem to need to go something like this:-
plaintext
(1) shorthand (according to ES, EVA <ch> == "cut", so perhaps
"abbreviate"/"truncate")
(2) assign a rotation key to a folio/page/para (depending on security required)
(2) folding key <-- the excitant spirit's own processing stage
(3) pair cipher
(4) word boundary (and occasionally pair) hiding, to obscure any remaining
patterns
(5) copying onto vellum
But what of the gallows characters? Did the folding key scribe (a)
*introduce* them into the text, (ie, they're innately meaningless) or (b)
merely *respond* to them, having been placed on the wax tablet by a
previous scribe?
Steve and Jeff Haley both seem to think (a), but I think (b): in
particular, I think the folding key processing stage was
algorithmic/automatic, with (deliberately) no room for choice on the part
of the scribe.
-=se=-> ENcoding was at (deliberately) the scribes whim and fancy...
DEcoding is the/Its "REVERSE". Follow its ~FLOW~. per page in
cases to read it.
*SeEs* tHe MiRrOr :-)
I will NOT raise my hand to a hoax, but I will raise my hand to an
encoding key & its simple folded piece of paper (that you Turn
upside down) Rotated on (gallows) glyph(s).
<-=se=-
Maybe I need a nice and ~fun~ root canal - this vms is/was suppose
to be for all - Fold IT! ArrGGGgGgggggg
good luck ALL :-)
K*I*S*S K*I*S*S (yepper keep IT _simple!_)
Can be drawn in the sand(s) (the characters etc.)
The Time is NOW !!!!!!!!!
Back under my rock - *PoOf*
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