Re: VMs: A big shock

["Larry Roux" <lroux@xxxxxxx>]

> Other than the VMs symbols themselves (strange 
> and 'unreadable' though they 
> may seem), on what basis do you believe that 
> the information in the VMs is 'encrypted' at all? 

I never said it was at all.  If I convert the word "FRED" to "%$#@" it is encrypted.  Single substitution cipher:  % = F, $ = R, etc.  The Voynich symbols could simply be the equivelant to %$#@.  I don't know yet.
       
> At some point you will still have to assign 
> letter values (a la "substitution") to the VMs
> symbols. The EVA was designed as a descriptor 
> of the VMs symbols, not as the values themselves. 
> If you want to use the EVA as your translation 
> text then do so. Heaven knows *I'm* not going to
> stop you.... ;)

Never said I was doing that either.  Examples are far better served in EVA as more people know EVA. I used YOUR translation tables. And got nothing of interest.

> Which glosses did you reference? Have you tried
> longer passages rather than isolated words?

Admittedly, I only did isolated words, but why should that matter?  If you have "THE solution" it should work all over. Are you saying that the Voy is 50% garbage?

> What we call Aldebran: dcholday becomes duogdaa [nothing]
> Pleides (doary) becomes doarya [still nothing]
> 
>This brings up a good point: "What WE call (it)"
>Maybe people way back when had different names for >the same objects. In fact, I'd bet on it. Cross >cultural boundaries, and it's practically assured. >Even in the same geographical region, a plant known >by one name might be called something else entirely >different by somebody living on the other side of the >hill. Two different languages, two different names. >One predominates, the other drifts into obscurity. >What 'we' call it now does not necessarily equate to 
>what 'they' called it back then.

Apparently you know nothing of Astronomy.  We have cataloged the names of objects going back thousands and thousands of years over many civilizations..  Do we have EVERY name listed?  Of course not.  But you are not saying that the Voy is in some unknown language on your site.  

  
> Again, no solution will be considered correct until 
> it is re-usable and > verifiable.
>  
> The symbol key can be used on any page of the VMs. 
> The sources are cited for 
> the words found.  It's there for anybody to verify.
> Or disprove. 

In my mind it is disproved.  I tried it and it produced garbage. Show me different.  Translate F68r3

> So far your solution doesn't fit either bill.  
(See previous comment.)

> 
Encouragement is a dangerous thing..... ;)






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Larry Roux
Syracuse University
lroux@xxxxxxx
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