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Re: VMs: Cardan Grille

I have been reading through the archives of this list to catch up.  I noticed that Gordon Rugg posted his findings on the subject back in the beginning of December, before his article.  You can review the original thread here:


----- Original Message -----
From: Rene Zandbergen <r_zandbergen@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2004 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: VMs: Cardan Grille

> --- "David R. Jones" <drjones@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > This was recently posted to another group, and I
> > thought it might be of 
> > interest here.  I know that Cardan and Dee were
> > associates, though they 
> > had a falling out at one point.  My main point was
> > if anyone had seen 
> > this in the context of the Voynich MS and if they
> > found the arguments 
> > presented convincing.
> Yes, the originator of the theory (Gordon Rugg)
> has been in communication with all of us on
> this list and I assume that he is still around.
> (Nicely organised site, by the way, Gordon!)
> I wonder if you would be able to tell me (us :-) )
> how a Cardan grille would have normally been
> used in the times of Dee. Was it a cryptographic
> device? Would it be to scramble text, or to be
> able to select only certain words from a text? 
> To answer your question: I am personally not
> convinced that the VMs could have been generated
> in the manner described. What might convince me
> is if he managed to define a table, set up with some
> kind of logic behind it, which actually does 
> reproduce some part of the MS text. Currently,
> table fagments I have seen are set up in order
> to duplicate the known statistical properties
> of the text, but without any order or rule.
> Apart from that, I wouldn't exclude the
> possibility that the VMs contains meaningless
> text and is a hoax in one way or another.
> Kind regards, Rene 
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